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Re: Ask HN: What are unintended consequences of new tech you've noticed?

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Post by mackrevinack »

zonidjan wrote: post #149
godelski wrote: post #81

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> We wanted it. I'm not entirely convinced this is accurate. It definitely is in part, but not in whole. We wanted these better search tools and we like recommendation systems. But I know a lot of people are frustrated with algorithms like YouTube's recommendation system trapping them. (e.g. watch one Joe Rogan video and you get firehosed with more JRE videos). The thing is we also don't notice that this reinforcemen…

I would love, so much, for Youtube to just stop targeting recommendations. At least then I'd see new things once in a while...

ive started to use freetube on desktop and newpipe on mobile. they are not great for discovery at all but at least I can watch the odd [insert-channel-i-dont-really-like-here] video every once in a blue moon without then being harassed for weeks/months/years after to watch more from the same channel

Re: Ask HN: What are unintended consequences of new tech you've noticed?

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Post by psv1 »

greggman2 wrote: post #350
psv1 wrote: post #261

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> (it's possible it's still attributed to me but I doubt it). It's still attributed to you.

can you prove that or is it just another conspiracy theory?

It's in their terms and conditions.

> When you're signed out, we associate that data with a cookie or other similar unique identifier.

Other identifiers include your ip address, operating system, browser and browser settings.

Re: Ask HN: What are unintended consequences of new tech you've noticed?

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Post by sunstone »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #312
Terretta wrote: post #308

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Not sure if this is different from growing up mechanically illiterate: a whole new generation growing up not knowing what a spark plug or timing belt is. Engines are finally entering their appliance phase, just in time to be replaced by electric motors. It’s okay for computers to become appliances too.

Not exactly. Being able to use a keyboard or a mouse is different. By comparison, is not being able to drive a car. I sure know nothing about engine but can drive. A computer illiterate needs the minimum of being able to maneuver it. Files might disappear, they are an abstraction after all.

For all the things youth don't know one thing they do know is that youtube will fill in the gaps.

Re: Ask HN: What are unintended consequences of new tech you've noticed?

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Post by icebraining »

geggam wrote: post #341
icebraining wrote: post #332

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The concept of private property advocated by America's Founders is mostly based on Lockean ideas of "labor mixed with natural resources creates property". But as Benjamin Tucker pointed out, that doesn't justify absentee ownership (either as landlord or as employer), since you're no longer there actually mixing your labor. And landlords and employers are exactly the roles who Proudhon and other anarchists see as ille…

Slavery has always existed and does to this day. We are all slaves to the banks who create currency out of thin air and loan it to others. The irony of calling the US a free country with the number of incarcerated is obvious. The fact remains property is required to exercise any right. I wish the US would go back to only landowners being able to vote. Would realign society IMO

So you think the evils of the US come from the poor having too much power?

Re: Ask HN: What are unintended consequences of new tech you've noticed?

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Post by icebraining »

geggam wrote: post #340
heavyset_go wrote: post #325

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> Folks who say this assume they have a right to someone else's labor aka slavery If you read the article I posted, you'd see that your cursory objection is thoroughly false: > Proudhon was clear that his opposition to property did not extend to exclusive possession of labor-made wealth.

All wealth comes from labor.

Yes, the summary is missing one word: own labor.

Re: Ask HN: What are unintended consequences of new tech you've noticed?

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Post by concordDance »

muzani wrote: post #270
concordDance wrote: post #259

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> We've learned that better tools doesn't actually create more productivity. Lots of people talk about how they dread email. A singular mega tool like Facebook or Evernote isn't great. Lots of disparate little tools isn't much better. I'm struggling to figure out what you mean by this. Obviously it's not literally true (I've saved my colleagues thousands of hours with some of the tools I've made), but I can't figure…

I think it's more like some people walk in the office, comment and tag on Trello, reply emails, deal with messages on Slack, convert and forward files on Dropbox. Then it's lunch. After lunch, they reply to some more emails, take a meeting on Zoom (waiting half an hour for that one guy to fix his microphone). Then they have 1 hour of work before the evening scrum stand-up, which is done on Slack or Zoom because half…

This doesn't match any officd I've worked in, nor any office anyone I know has worked in.

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Post by jaclaz »

capableweb wrote: post #338
jaclaz wrote: post #310

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By Europe you are meaning Germany only, I believe, in most other European countries there is a speed limit of 130 km/h or 140 km/h, day or night doesn't matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country

To be precise it's 120 km/h in most, 130 km/h in some. At least in western/northern Europe (except Germany of course, with it's Authoban)

Yep, but it doesn't change the "base" point, which is, you cannot legally drive faster than 120/130/140 kmh (depending on the country) and certainly NOT 180 kmh in any European country BUT in Germany (and only on some - many - strerches of the Autobahn, in some other there is anyway a speed limit of 120/130/140 kmh):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany

http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/Limitkarte.pdf

http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/LegendeLimit.pdf

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Post by banmeagaindan2 »

siruncledrew wrote: post #337
mattlondon wrote: post #234

My favourite one that surprised me and continues to surprise people: kids that have grown up with smartphones and iPads from birth are computer illiterate. People see their 5 year old using an iPad and the knee-jerk cliche thought/assumption us the classic "oh wow these kids just get technology!" (recall all the "I need my kid to program the VCR" type stuff from the 80s/90s - it is the same thing of older people assu…

The funniest related instance I've encountered was: > at work with a 20 year old intern in the stock room > clock on the wall above the door > intern asks "Hey, do you know what time it is?" > I look at the clock and say, "5:30pm" > intern says "Thanks, my phone was dead" I was in shock for the rest of the day a person less than a decade younger than me doesn't know how to read an analog clock.

Somebody with a wristwatch can develop a superior sense of timing when working. It is quick and distraction free.

Wristwatches are underrated. In the trades a $20 watch could pay you $x000 a year if it saved some minutes each day.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

1123581321 wrote: post #326
onion2k wrote: post #241

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In practical terms speeding actually makes very little difference to your journey time. Eg if you have a 100 mile drive on a 70mph road and you drive the entire way at 85mph your reward is saving about 10 minutes on a 1.5 hour trip. The downside risk is getting charged for speeding and being delayed for much more than 10 minutes. I've never though the cost/benefit shows it to be particularly worthwhile.

10 minutes a day on a commute to work and back is significant and, if you drop down a couple mph, is low risk. That’s almost an extra hour a week without giving up any valuable activity. I could only see the cost/benefit looking not worthwhile if you already have a lot of free time. An adult commuting 90 minutes a day might only have 2-4 hours of free time per day during the workweek.

There is an increased risk of an accident with reduced reaction time and any accident may be worse with more velocity/energy at play.

Ask a paramedic whose worked in a big, commuter city about their experience.

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Post by geggam »

icebraining wrote: post #354
geggam wrote: post #341

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Slavery has always existed and does to this day. We are all slaves to the banks who create currency out of thin air and loan it to others. The irony of calling the US a free country with the number of incarcerated is obvious. The fact remains property is required to exercise any right. I wish the US would go back to only landowners being able to vote. Would realign society IMO

So you think the evils of the US come from the poor having too much power?

No, I think we incentivize poor people to not work. ( I have been poor and the benefits you get are better than many jobs right now)

I also believe the corporations having rights of a human without the punishment is a problem on that side. If a corporation breaks the law they should put the C level and the board in jail just like they would any other person.

Things are imbalanced on both sides and the concept the US is not a Republic but is a Democracy is being sold so propaganda machines can manipulate the public.

Term limits on congress, remove the ability of congress to vote themselves raises and get bribes via lobbying. Eliminate the poor from being able to vote themselves other peoples money... things like this would set is off to a better direction.

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