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Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by jjeaff »

tom_ wrote: post #14
umvi wrote: post #5

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> We wake up students too early Based on what you just said, if we moved school to 10am, you would just stay up until 4am playing StarCraft. I don't think school is too early. I think you just stayed up too late.

This is going back a fair few years for me, but I always thought school was too early! Perhaps you just didn't stay in bed for long enough? If you just wake up later, your bedtime will naturally end up later to compensate.

"All of the studies of adolescent sleep patterns in the United States are showing that the time at which teens generally fall asleep is biologically determined -- but the time at which they wake up is socially determined"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181212140741.h...

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by thrower123 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #39
thrower123 wrote: post #28

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I don't much like standups, but I've noticed that they tend to end up being a hard start to the day. When we had them at 9:30, people would tend to always get in to the office by at least 9:15. When we kick them back to 10:30, people tend to straggle in up to 10, 10:15. Generally, people adjust to whatever the time is, so they have some minutes to get settled and triage their email; you usually can't actually get any…

While there is truth to what you are saying, there is no particular requirement for stating a day with a standup. I find it's a glorified catch-up session and can be held equally successfully at 2pm. People can generally use their morning productively without it. I also find written form of standup more valuable than the verbal one.

I agree completely. I'm certainly far more productive in the morning if there is not a standup or some recurring daily meeting scheduled...

That defined interruption imposes a big cost in productivity beforehand. It squeezes everything.

Why standups couldn't just be a handful of bullet points from each person when they spin up for the day in a Slack channel is something I have never quite understood.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by jjeaff »

planetzero wrote: post #37

I really don't think it has anything to do with the hours. Children/teenagers will try to get away with as much as they can. It's more about being rebellious. My elementary, high school, and middle school all started at different times (and my senior year of high school started much later because I completed enough credits). Regardless of how late school started, I would just stay up later, the later school started.…

"Research to date has shown that the circadian rhythms of adolescents are simply fundamentally different from those of adults and children,"

"All of the studies of adolescent sleep patterns in the United States are showing that the time at which teens generally fall asleep is biologically determined -- but the time at which they wake up is socially determined,"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181212140741.h...

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #40
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #31

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I played football all Highschool, started school at 8am (so bus at 7-715), done with football by 6pm. This leaves you 4-5 hours depending on how long it takes you to get ready. This is more than enough to do homework, though some days definitely sucked more than others. In my opinion it helped develop valuable time management skills.

In my opinion, that leaves you no time to do anything "unstructured". No time to socialize with family or neighbors, no time to just go explore and wander or experiment, no time to learn to cook with one's parents or participate in cultural activities that may not be reflected in the school year. I don't mind sports, but the way it's placed on a pedestal in the US above all other activities is ridiculous to me. Not k…

It's hard to argue you don't develop social skills in football, and it'd be really hard to put in 3 hours a day for 4 months (8 hours a day for the month of August) and not make friends. The teamwork aspect of any sport is difficult to teach in a school setting.

After football season I got out of school at 3.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by astura »

Kids need a more sleep than adults, sometimes a lot more sleep. I don't think adults realize this sometimes, and kids can silently suffer as a result (and not even really understand they are suffering).

It absolutely amazes me when I see young children out and about late at night because I had a very strict early bedtime as a child - 8pm early in life, 9pm starting my tween years. It was very much to my disdain at the time, but now I strongly believe being well rested served me well in all aspects of my life.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by astura »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #40
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #31

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I played football all Highschool, started school at 8am (so bus at 7-715), done with football by 6pm. This leaves you 4-5 hours depending on how long it takes you to get ready. This is more than enough to do homework, though some days definitely sucked more than others. In my opinion it helped develop valuable time management skills.

In my opinion, that leaves you no time to do anything "unstructured". No time to socialize with family or neighbors, no time to just go explore and wander or experiment, no time to learn to cook with one's parents or participate in cultural activities that may not be reflected in the school year. I don't mind sports, but the way it's placed on a pedestal in the US above all other activities is ridiculous to me. Not k…

Um you know football isn't year-round, right?

Also, why the fuck is it "impossible" to socialize with family and neighbors at 6pm? They are probably at work until 5pm anyways. By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook.

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Post by wrktanice »

kamfc wrote: post #12
umvi wrote: post #5

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> We wake up students too early Based on what you just said, if we moved school to 10am, you would just stay up until 4am playing StarCraft. I don't think school is too early. I think you just stayed up too late.

Poor logic. We sleep eventually.

Yes, and if we stay awake playing video game tournaments and staring at a computer screen, that's usually the point of complete exhaustion.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by wrktanice »

barry-cotter wrote: post #10
EpicEng wrote: post #7

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>We wake up students too early I agree, but... you were staying up until 1-2am playing video games. C'mon.

I stayed up til the same time reading books for the same reason OP stayed up, not being tired. Teenagers have a delayed sleep cycle compared to adults, it’s not a matter of choice, it’s when your body says to wake up or sleep autonomously, same as my baby wakes at 5am and sleeps at 8pm, because that’s what his body is telling him to do.

Were you not tired because you didn't need sleep, or because your mind was being stimulated?

It's quite easy to not feel tired when you're stimulated, but it doesn't mean you don't need sleep.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by sk0g »

astura wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #40

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In my opinion, that leaves you no time to do anything "unstructured". No time to socialize with family or neighbors, no time to just go explore and wander or experiment, no time to learn to cook with one's parents or participate in cultural activities that may not be reflected in the school year. I don't mind sports, but the way it's placed on a pedestal in the US above all other activities is ridiculous to me. Not k…

Um you know football isn't year-round, right? Also, why the fuck is it "impossible" to socialize with family and neighbors at 6pm? They are probably at work until 5pm anyways. By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook.

> By the time someone is old enough to play football they should already know how to cook.

I started playing football (a different one to what OP meant, I'm guessing), at the age of... 2. Definitely not old enough to cook then.

Good luck convincing most male teenagers that they need to learn to cook for themselves, too. I've only picked up those skills in the last few years, and I'm almost done with university!

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