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Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

webkike wrote: post #30
EpicEng wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We wake up students too early I agree, but... you were staying up until 1-2am playing video games. C'mon.

how is this any different from a chess club of a sports club? Seriously, all of those clubs demand many hours of dedication. If you do a sport in highschool you basically have to be able to get 4 hours of sleep and deal with it

I played football all Highschool, started school at 8am (so bus at 7-715), done with football by 6pm.

This leaves you 4-5 hours depending on how long it takes you to get ready. This is more than enough to do homework, though some days definitely sucked more than others. In my opinion it helped develop valuable time management skills.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by bigred100 »

AmVess wrote: post #4

A co-author of the study recommends establishing regular bedtime routines. I wager the lack of a regular routine is the source of the problem. The school I went to had split shifts. I was on the early shift, and had to be up at 5AM. It wasn't a big deal because I had to be in bed by 9PM or it was my ass. Perhaps kids would get more sleep if their parents had rules and enforced them.

Some parents actively prevent their children from sleeping enough. Eg your brother will bother us if you don’t let him play on his computer in your shared bedroom until 3am and we are too tired to deal with it, so figure it out yourself.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by EpicEng »

webkike wrote: post #30
EpicEng wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We wake up students too early I agree, but... you were staying up until 1-2am playing video games. C'mon.

how is this any different from a chess club of a sports club? Seriously, all of those clubs demand many hours of dedication. If you do a sport in highschool you basically have to be able to get 4 hours of sleep and deal with it

We could argue the merits of paying video games against something like chess club, but that's not the argument I'm making. I'm only saying that, if you stay up until 1-2am, you're going to have a hard time pretty much anywhere unless they let you roll in at 10.

For my part, I still play video games, slept through most of school, got kicked out, taught myself to program at 22, and have been working in the field for 14 years now. I won't take a job with a strict in-time because I know I have a hard time getting to bed early.

I'm not bashing video games, but you have to take some responsibility. School at 10 wouldn't work well for a variety of reasons, even if I wish it were possible.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

thrower123 wrote: post #28
epicureanideal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no reason a standup needs to be at 930 other than to punish people with later natural sleep cycles.

I don't much like standups, but I've noticed that they tend to end up being a hard start to the day. When we had them at 9:30, people would tend to always get in to the office by at least 9:15. When we kick them back to 10:30, people tend to straggle in up to 10, 10:15. Generally, people adjust to whatever the time is, so they have some minutes to get settled and triage their email; you usually can't actually get any…

As one of those people, it's because, as a developer, I hate knowing I'm going to be interrupted in X amount of time. Obviously if it was something like 11, 1130, it'd be different. But if with no standup I'd get to the office at 915, but the standup is at 10, I don't think I'd get any valuable piece of work done in that 45 minutes.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

ceejayoz wrote: post #6
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

> I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many people and too little fresh air. Did you test this hypothesis at the time with a CO2 monitor? Lack of sleep causes headaches, too.

I don't think that's a fair demand of a schoolboy (at the time)

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by planetzero »

I really don't think it has anything to do with the hours. Children/teenagers will try to get away with as much as they can. It's more about being rebellious.

My elementary, high school, and middle school all started at different times (and my senior year of high school started much later because I completed enough credits).

Regardless of how late school started, I would just stay up later, the later school started. I usually got around 6 hours of sleep/night and would be very tired during the day. I now know that I need at least 7 hours to be functional.

Now I do think everyone has a different level of sleep they can function on, but the time a person goes to bed has little to do with it.

This is just another excuse that today's parents are giving because they don't want to take screens away or discipline their children.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by planetzero »

tom_ wrote: post #29
planetzero wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SO instead, you want to punish people with early natural sleep cycles?

Such meetings can be held at any time of the day.

okay, so let's hold the meeting at 9:30am.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

thrower123 wrote: post #28
epicureanideal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no reason a standup needs to be at 930 other than to punish people with later natural sleep cycles.

I don't much like standups, but I've noticed that they tend to end up being a hard start to the day. When we had them at 9:30, people would tend to always get in to the office by at least 9:15. When we kick them back to 10:30, people tend to straggle in up to 10, 10:15. Generally, people adjust to whatever the time is, so they have some minutes to get settled and triage their email; you usually can't actually get any…

While there is truth to what you are saying, there is no particular requirement for stating a day with a standup.

I find it's a glorified catch-up session and can be held equally successfully at 2pm. People can generally use their morning productively without it.

I also find written form of standup more valuable than the verbal one.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #31
webkike wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is this any different from a chess club of a sports club? Seriously, all of those clubs demand many hours of dedication. If you do a sport in highschool you basically have to be able to get 4 hours of sleep and deal with it

I played football all Highschool, started school at 8am (so bus at 7-715), done with football by 6pm. This leaves you 4-5 hours depending on how long it takes you to get ready. This is more than enough to do homework, though some days definitely sucked more than others. In my opinion it helped develop valuable time management skills.

In my opinion, that leaves you no time to do anything "unstructured". No time to socialize with family or neighbors, no time to just go explore and wander or experiment, no time to learn to cook with one's parents or participate in cultural activities that may not be reflected in the school year.

I don't mind sports, but the way it's placed on a pedestal in the US above all other activities is ridiculous to me. Not keen on homework that takes over after school hours either.

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