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Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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The original iPhone did $745M in revenue before the iPhone 3G was released (not 100% sure if that the one you're talking about since there was never a phone called the iPhone 3). Not exactly 'nobody'...

Then why did the price drop 4x and sales grew 3x with the iPhone 3g? Seriously, if price wasn't a problem and Ballmer was wrong, why did Apple even drop the price? Truth is this wasn't that long ago, I still remember it, and the price drop was a huge deal to a lot of people. Articles like these were everywhere. https://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_090622.html

Right, so it went from a very popular phone to THE MOST POPULAR PHONE.

It was aleeady a success. Then it became a world beater.

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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>I'm sorry but you are just wrong. >The past few years has made it pretty clear (although there were certainly reports even before then) that women have faced, and continue to face abuse and discrimination to a degree that men don't. Do you have anything to add besides "you are wrong" and (paraphrasing) "women are right"? The point GP makes about an old boys club that attacks men and women equally rings painfully tru…

> The point GP makes about an old boys club that attacks men and women equally rings painfully true to me also. He's just saying shit. I can make one story up, but I don't need to. Making up stories that seem likely doesn't make them true, even if you feel that they're right.

>Making up stories that seem likely doesn't make them true, even if you feel that they're right.

Ironic.

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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Oh yea? So at what point do you feel Apple had no more use for Steve?

It’s hard to give a good answer as I’m not privy to what was going on within Apple when he worked there. If I had to guess, I would say that Apples future was safe after the release of the first iPhone, and that Jobs could have stepped down at that point and the company would have done just fine.

Then that's quite a mature company we're talking about (Apple was founded on April 1, 1976)...

(I disagree with the whole thesis though - I think Apple suffers greatly from Steve not being here now.)

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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I really can't upvote this enough. I've experienced both sides of this as a transgender woman. As a relatively effeminate man, I failed to fit in with the culture of "cocksure masculinity" as the OP calls it. But as a woman it's a whole lot worse. The problem has the same cause and hits both genders, but it really does hit women harder. For instance, men might find they need to shout to get their voice heard because…

The best example of objective evidence for this I have seen is: https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96443300/the-names-the-... Where a male and female colleague swapped names in all correspondence, and she (with a temporary male name) was astounded at how easy work was, while he (with a temporary female name) was perplexed by how much harder his job became. And I'm guessing you have seen: http://www.econ.nyu.edu/use…

I hadn't seen that study before, and I have a lot of thoughts on it. Most of all I'd be interested to see how it changed. (For one thing, the term "transsexual" now is feels so dated it's borderline offensive)

To briefly sum up a very complex issue on which I have a lot of feelings, I find that it's more common for transfeminine people (vs. transmasculine ones) to wind up in a kind of "uncanny valley" of gender that some people struggle and are uncomfortable with. I think that with growing visibility and acceptance this is probably improving, but it's still very real.

I think a result of that is that comparing MTF vs. FTM people is that it's not a good comparison of women vs. men in the workplace. The fact that society has a much more negative view of transwomen confounds the entire thing.

There's also, very anecdotally, a pretty sharp divide in how more passable transwomen are treated vs. less passable transwomen. I think I'm in the former group, but it's all very complicated and not something I fully understand myself - how can I really know how others see me?

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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The best example of objective evidence for this I have seen is: https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96443300/the-names-the-... Where a male and female colleague swapped names in all correspondence, and she (with a temporary male name) was astounded at how easy work was, while he (with a temporary female name) was perplexed by how much harder his job became. And I'm guessing you have seen: http://www.econ.nyu.edu/use…

I hadn't seen that study before, and I have a lot of thoughts on it. Most of all I'd be interested to see how it changed. (For one thing, the term "transsexual" now is feels so dated it's borderline offensive) To briefly sum up a very complex issue on which I have a lot of feelings, I find that it's more common for transfeminine people (vs. transmasculine ones) to wind up in a kind of "uncanny valley" of gender that…

> how can I really know how others see me?

I am a middle aged guy in NZ with a fairly broad social range, that includes a few MTF transsexuals§ by association.

Within their social circles and far wider than that, everyone is aware that they are a transsexual, and I perceive that they often get lumped into a third category (that isn't male or female).

Strangers will be completely natural towards a non-obvious transsexual (where acquantances might not), but then a stranger that becomes a friend will struggle later when they find out they have been "deceived" (which subjectively can't be argued with?). Surely that must cause a lot of friction.

Also the acronym LGBT defines "different from X" where I don't know a good word for X either...

Hopefully you have a good bunch of friends and family that don't judge you or stereotype you.

As far as the study went, they would have to find a subgroup that worked as female (or v.v.) without anyone at work knowing or finding out (remaining cryptic at all times). Even then, there is a sampling bias for only those people that act on their feelings and have major surgery, and presumably a major emotional disruption to life for most of those.

> a pretty sharp divide in how more passable transwomen are treated vs. less passable transwomen

Is the divide wider than that between a "pretty" woman and an "ugly" one (sorry again, awful word choice, but I don't know how to rewrite that so the meaning stays clear).

§ sorry if transsexuals is an offensive term, I'm using what my peer group would use, and I have no idea how to safely use the words you use.

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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The best example of objective evidence for this I have seen is: https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96443300/the-names-the-... Where a male and female colleague swapped names in all correspondence, and she (with a temporary male name) was astounded at how easy work was, while he (with a temporary female name) was perplexed by how much harder his job became. And I'm guessing you have seen: http://www.econ.nyu.edu/use…

I hadn't seen that study before, and I have a lot of thoughts on it. Most of all I'd be interested to see how it changed. (For one thing, the term "transsexual" now is feels so dated it's borderline offensive) To briefly sum up a very complex issue on which I have a lot of feelings, I find that it's more common for transfeminine people (vs. transmasculine ones) to wind up in a kind of "uncanny valley" of gender that…

> The fact that society has a much more negative view of transwomen confounds the entire thing.

I think a lot of this is simply a combination of of not crediting gender identity (such that transmen are viewed as women, and transwomen as men) and viewing both as gender non-conforming and presumptively homosexual, combined with asymmetric views on homosexuality and gender non-conformity between men and women (which embed misogyny, since men are the superior gender, it is less acceptable for them to fall to conform, while women who are non-conforming are, while violating a norm, adopting features of the superior gender, which is less contemptible.)

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Almost everybody experiences bullying at some point in their life. That makes them feel they understand the problem. But it's the dose that makes the poison. Some people and groups are at the receiving end of so much of it that to say "we all have been bullied" really belittles what the targeted groups receive.

> of so much of it ... but how do you know? How could anybody know that?

The most helpful answer I can give is: you’d have to start from a neutral position. Which means really giving up on what you believe and being open to the possibility that there is a real difference you haven’t seen yet.

From that position you can then try to practice active listening. You’d need to develop a rapport with people—lots of people, both people who see things similarly to you and especially people who see things differently. You’d have to be gentle with other people’s ideas so they feel safe telling you what they really think.

After doing that for some time, and ingesting stories from whole populations of people, you would begin to get a sense of the breadth of experiences beyond your own.

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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This quote was laughable:

"At its core, Microsoft is a company that makes its money the old fashioned way: by creating products of value that people willingly part with their money to use. They stand as a bulwark against the data mongering and user exploitation that Google and Facebook see as the future of humanity."

Microsoft has always made its money by creating, maintaining, extending and exercising monopoly power. I don't have a reference for this, but as I recall, after the antitrust verdict, Microsoft "offered" to give schools free copies of Windows as part of its "punishment". I guess that really hurt them to have schools sending out all documents in Microsoft Office format. Only the latest versions of course, so that it created incompatibilities with every parent's version of Office, forcing everyone to upgrade if they wanted to read a note from their kids' teachers.

Since the Pentagon recently bought $10B in Microsoft products, I hope they consider that having a sole supplier is a national security issue, and force Microsoft to at least release an open spec of all Office document formats, and force them to update this spec at the same time product updates occur, if not months before.

It may be too late even for that since Office is now running in a Microsoft cloud. Maybe the Pentagon just bought $10B of Microsoft cloud services. In that case, the format doesn't even matter any more, because every document is born, lives, and dies on a Microsoft server somewhere.

Sure glad they aren't doing that "data mongering" thing.

Re: Reflections on My Career at Microsoft

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I hadn't seen that study before, and I have a lot of thoughts on it. Most of all I'd be interested to see how it changed. (For one thing, the term "transsexual" now is feels so dated it's borderline offensive) To briefly sum up a very complex issue on which I have a lot of feelings, I find that it's more common for transfeminine people (vs. transmasculine ones) to wind up in a kind of "uncanny valley" of gender that…

> how can I really know how others see me? I am a middle aged guy in NZ with a fairly broad social range, that includes a few MTF transsexuals§ by association. Within their social circles and far wider than that, everyone is aware that they are a transsexual, and I perceive that they often get lumped into a third category (that isn't male or female). Strangers will be completely natural towards a non-obvious transsex…

> I perceive that they often get lumped into a third category (that isn't male or female)

This is what I mean by the "uncanny valley of gender". Some people, btw, do identify as non-binary and intentionally wish to be seen as neither male nor female. For most people, even transgender ones such as myself, people pick a gender and then unconsciously roll with that in how they relate. When people can't figure out which way to relate, it can make them uncomfortable and cause friction.

> Strangers will be completely natural towards a non-obvious transsexual (where acquantances might not), but then a stranger that becomes a friend will struggle later when they find out they have been "deceived" (which subjectively can't be argued with?). Surely that must cause a lot of friction.

They haven't been deceived! I am a woman, and the type of woman I am is transgender. While it does surprise people, in my experience, it's just kind of an interesting point and then we move on. If it's not a sexual context it really has nothing to do with anything, and so people don't care - they just keep using script they initially picked. Similar to my age - most people think I'm in my 20s, but I'm in my late 30s. They're surprised, but it doesn't change anything so we go on.

> As far as the study went, they would have to find a subgroup that worked as female (or v.v.) without anyone at work knowing or finding out (remaining cryptic at all times). Even then, there is a sampling bias for only those people that act on their feelings and have major surgery, and presumably a major emotional disruption to life for most of those.

This is very true. Transgender people have to feel that they can transition, and a great many don't. I haven't seen any study (and I'm not sure how you'd even construct one) between transgender people who seek transition and those that don't. I definitely live in a much more acceptable environment (in San Francisco) and had the financial, social, and emotional means to do it. A lot of people lack in some of those areas and suffer, sometimes greatly as a result. Access to transgender medicine varies tremendously.

> Is the divide wider than that between a "pretty" woman and an "ugly" one (sorry again, awful word choice, but I don't know how to rewrite that so the meaning stays clear).

I would say yes. Again, it's (in my perception) that uncanny valley of gender. An unattractive woman is still seen as a woman (though her social value is often greatly diminished by it). Whereas non-passable transwomen people aren't clear how to relate to, and it makes them feel uncomfortable.

> sorry if transsexuals is an offensive term, I'm using what my peer group would use, and I have no idea how to safely use the words you use.

Transsexual is a term that's dated to the point where it comes off as ignorant. We use "Transgender" as a blanket, inclusive term (not everyone changes their genitals, which is what makes it preferable to "transsexual").

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