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Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Post by danso »

dexen wrote: post #107
danso wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange. You seem to have posted a doctored image. The fact that your "1977" image uses modern typography should have been an obvious giveaway to you before you posted it. https://apnews.com/afs:Content:5755221200 > AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Time cover labeled in social posts as coming from 1977 is actually a cover from 2007, with the image altered to change the title from “The Global Warming Survival Guide” to “Ho…

Strange. You seem to have posted a link to a source discredited on the subject of climate. The fact that we are seeing the same headlines for many years now should have been an obvious giveaway to you before you posted it. https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 >June 30, 1989 > A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if th…

Your response to an assertion that an image is outright doctored is to post a quote from a senior U.N. environmental official?

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Post by guelo »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

Before any tax is issued, I'd like to know the exact percentage breakdown between man-made climate change and natural climate cycles? Can anyone break the percentage down for me, between man-made CO2 and natural CO2 being outgassed by oceans, and then breakdown the difference between CO2 induced warming and variations in the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Meridional…

The climate scientists that have spent years studying these issues and are making the dire predictions already know the answers to these issues. If you want to know the answers you could read their blogs and papers and textbooks.

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Post by alex_young »

chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

No it is not this simple.

The damage already done has a very long tail.

Thermal expansion will continue to increase sea level rise for hundreds of years even if we stop emitting co2 now [0].

We need to think about mitigation of the impact of future climate change in addition to addressing the root cause.

[0] https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-chan...

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Post by ip26 »

11235813213455 wrote: post #110
chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

I'm much more in favor of sequestering CO2 naturally (planting trees everywhere possible, it also has huge benefits in well-being, air quality, ..), and forcing people to reduce their excessive consumerism

A carbon tax or carbon dividend could include payouts for planting & maintaining trees, and it would increase the price tag of excessive consumerism.

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Post by tito »

imtringued wrote: post #103
chrisco255 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before any tax is issued, I'd like to know the exact percentage breakdown between man-made climate change and natural climate cycles? Can anyone break the percentage down for me, between man-made CO2 and natural CO2 being outgassed by oceans, and then breakdown the difference between CO2 induced warming and variations in the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Meridional…

Here is a video that adresses some of your points. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBF6F4Bi6Sg

Nice, the video addresses myths such as: "Climate Change -- Isn't it natural?"

Made by a former geologist, science journalists for 25 years.

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Post by DennisP »

Misdicorl wrote: post #119
chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

To actually prevent further global warming we need active planetary scale solutions. You paint far too rosy a picture here. A carbon tax is preventative, not active. There is no viable path to scale current sequestration techniques to global scale. What we're talking about with a carbon tax is not 'solving climate change'. It is limiting the change to approximately what current models predict.

If a carbon fee system grants transferable credits for sequestering ambient carbon, then it would pay for that too.

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Post by tito »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

Before any tax is issued, I'd like to know the exact percentage breakdown between man-made climate change and natural climate cycles? Can anyone break the percentage down for me, between man-made CO2 and natural CO2 being outgassed by oceans, and then breakdown the difference between CO2 induced warming and variations in the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Meridional…

The ocean sucks out carbon. It's a carbon sponge, not an emitter. The ocean is absorbing about 30% of our emissions currently, however that may soon drop [1]

Hope that helps! I'm a bit puzzled you know all those terms but apparently don't have the tools to find answers. Try googling that stuff and see what academic papers you find!

[1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/oceans-do-us-a-huge-s...

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Post by Misdicorl »

DennisP wrote: post #126
Misdicorl wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To actually prevent further global warming we need active planetary scale solutions. You paint far too rosy a picture here. A carbon tax is preventative, not active. There is no viable path to scale current sequestration techniques to global scale. What we're talking about with a carbon tax is not 'solving climate change'. It is limiting the change to approximately what current models predict.

If a carbon fee system grants transferable credits for sequestering ambient carbon, then it would pay for that too.

This ignores the fact that the resources to sequester carbon simply do not exist at the required scale.

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Post by ip26 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
chris_va wrote: post #23

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

Before any tax is issued, I'd like to know the exact percentage breakdown between man-made climate change and natural climate cycles? Can anyone break the percentage down for me, between man-made CO2 and natural CO2 being outgassed by oceans, and then breakdown the difference between CO2 induced warming and variations in the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Meridional…

Does it really matter whether the CO2 is natural or man made? It seems fairly clear climate change & more frequent extreme weather events are not a good thing for us.

In Colorado, for years the state government spent a lot of time and money trying to show that China was the reason we couldn't meet Federal air quality standards. It was a moronic exercise- no matter who is responsible for the ozone, we are the ones breathing it. Skip the blame game and get to fixing it.

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Post by DennisP »

phkahler wrote: post #84
martythemaniak wrote: post #63

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So one hand you're saying GP's opinion that pricing (taxing) carbon is a scam (?) that won't work. On the other hand you're saying we need to tax carbon? What exactly is it that you're saying?

Taxing it at the source until the market figures out an alternative will eliminate it. Other solutions are just politics and money making scams. That what I'm saying.

That's exactly the solution advocated by many climate scientists, economists, and some current candidates for president. An organization lobbying for it is https://citizensclimatelobby.org/
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