Double Slit Experiment No Mystery
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#42Everything to the smallest quanta oscillates. The only way to get something to stop moving is by freezing it. You need to hit absolute zero to stop movement completely, I don't believe we have even observed absolute zero.
If you think about it, absolute zero shouldn't be possible. There are an infinite amount of degrees between 1 and 0. Aren't we only limited by the sensitivity of our equipment?
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#43It is very common in physics that the same phenomenon can be explained using different concepts. Treating particles hitting a regular structure as diffraction of de Broglie waves gives exactly the same results as the momentum transfer approach the author prefers. In fact, both can be derived from standard quantum mechanics and both are widely used, depending on which is easier in the particular case. However, scatter…
Well I don't believe that's what he intended. It seemed he was trying to argue about the double slit not being evidence of wave particle duality. I tend to agree, the notion of matter being in two places at once is nonsense. Also I agree with the author that the majority of people tend to point to the double slit as some type of proof.
Based on what? Empirical experience with macroscopic objects? There are tons of phenomenons that are at odds with everyday empirical experience for that to matter (relativity has all kinds of such cases).
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#44Quantum mechanics is built on extraordinarily simple rules, in fact simpler ones than classical mechanics: all you do is sum up the amplitudes for various paths, and square it to get a probability. The problem is that the objects obeying these rules thus act neither like particles nor waves. So obsessing over whether quantum objects are "really" particles or waves is not useful.
It certainly works sometimes. There are many limits where quantum objects behave just like particles, or just like waves (there must be, since we must be able to recover classical mechanics from quantum mechanics). And sometimes you can describe a quantum calculation in terms of classical wave or particle intuition, which is what's going on here. The double slit experiment is in fact so simple that I know of at least 5 ways to derive the result, using all sorts of different intuition. "Duane's law" is one of them, though I never knew it had a name, as it pops out rather straightforwardly from the mathematics.
The reason that we don't try to extend this to cover all of quantum mechanics is because it doesn't work. Treating the quantum mechanics as if it were classical underneath leads to all kinds of paradoxes. Bell inequality violations tell us that the classical variables would have to either influence each other faster than light, or be pre-set since the beginning of the universe in a malicious conspiracy. The delayed choice quantum eraser tells us that if you want to treat the photon as a classical particle, you need to accept that it can retroactively change the past. Yet another failed attempt is quantum logic: if you insist on treating quantum superpositions as representing some unknown classical position of a particle, you need propositions about those positions to violate the rules of logic themselves.
Hundreds of experiments probing quantum mechanics have been performed, all with the same results: committing to a classical ontology in terms of "waves" or "particles" costs you more than just accepting that quantum objects are different from either.
Physicists have spent a lot of energy thinking about this. All of the author's claims were under active debate in the 1920s. He is just completely ignoring the following century of investigation, and claiming that it never happened!
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#45Actually the mysteries are deeper. This one can't explain "Delayed Choice Quantum Erasure" experiments, which is also a double slit experiment. But the arrangement allows you to detect the path AFTER the photon has traveled through one of the slits and hit the surface. Now after the photon has hit the surface you can decide whether to detect its path or not. A delayed choice. But based on your later choice the interf…
How can a "thought experiment" demonstrate anything?
It just can't prove it empirically -- but it can very well demonstrate it.
Your question is also a "though experiment" (it's pure thought) and yet you aim it to demonstrate something.
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#47When I watched a goofy layman’s explanation[1] about the double slit, it stressed the importance of the effects of observation on the behavior or nature of the electrons. When observed to see “which” slit the light passed through, they no longer created the interference pattern described by Duane’s law. And when left unobserved (at the slits) the interference pattern emerged even when shooting “one electron at a time…
The focus on “observation” in quantum mechanics is dumb and damaging. In quantum mechanics observation means something very different from what people assume when you use the word observation. When you say “if we observe the position of the electron” people think: “we put an observer who without interring in any active way and he looked at the electron to see where it is”. What QM actually means is more akin to “if w…
Which is still neither here nor there concerning this case.
Even with the different meaning of observation from "people assume when you use the word observation", Duane’s law still doesn't explain the outcome.
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#49Physicist here. This is just self-congratulatory nonsense. Though I shouldn't be surprised, because I originally signed up for this site to comment against some other self-congratulatory nonsense. Quantum mechanics is built on extraordinarily simple rules, in fact simpler ones than classical mechanics: all you do is sum up the amplitudes for various paths, and square it to get a probability. The problem is that the o…
Not that I disagree with this, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about de-Broglie-Bohm.
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#50If this "direction preferentiality" were all that were needed to cause a diffraction pattern, then we should see it if we run the experiment with one slit closed for a while, and then the other slit closed for a while.
But that's not what happens! If you send particles through only one slit, you do not get a diffraction pattern! (Actually you do, but the valleys are spaced far wider than those with both slits open.) No diffraction pattern = no valleys. Running the experiment again with the other slit closed can't add those valleys in. This is logically no different than individual electrons simply "randomly" entering alternate slits, so that can't make a diffraction pattern either.
What am I missing? It seems like the author is trying to explain double-slit purely in terms of statistical ensembles of quantum-ish particles rather than exploiting the full generality of quantum fields, which makes no sense simply by looking at the results of a single- vs. double-slit setup. (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment#/media/...)