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Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

#21

Come on operators, waive the bill for science!

They did. It says so in the last paragraph of the article:

> Megafon's offer to bail out the team, reported by RIA Novosti news, means they can continue monitoring the eagles' routes, collecting vital data to help their survival.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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A solution could be to design the system to make calls directly to a list of ornitologists or ornitologist societies in the other countries, that shouldn't be really complicated to arrange and then ask them to return the data by standard e-mail. Is a small world. Or store the eagles travel data in a cloud, that feels also poetically appropriate for this case

I'm sure it's somewhat hard to change the system once deployed. They could just get a cheap global tariff -- but the eagles won't swap SIM cards themselves.

Eagles won't swap SIM cards but researchers will do.

This kind of systems are not designed to last forever; Harness belts in young animals are designed to break, fall and be recovered.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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A solution could be to design the system to make calls directly to a list of ornitologists or ornitologist societies in the other countries, that shouldn't be really complicated to arrange and then ask them to return the data by standard e-mail. Is a small world. Or store the eagles travel data in a cloud, that feels also poetically appropriate for this case

Or better yet an agreement with gsm operators were made ahead of the time so they did not charge the "eagle calls", and they were all made to a single cloud-or-whatever-distribution-center.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

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A solution could be to design the system to make calls directly to a list of ornitologists or ornitologist societies in the other countries, that shouldn't be really complicated to arrange and then ask them to return the data by standard e-mail. Is a small world. Or store the eagles travel data in a cloud, that feels also poetically appropriate for this case

I think roaming charges apply even when you are calling a number in the same county. Really this is already a good solution, it just needs the right tariff.

As far as I know this kind of additional charge for dialing within the same country exists in some countries, but this should be not confused with "roaming charge" for intra-country roaming.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

#27

This is where the ham radio APRS protocol would come in handy. It was designed for position reporting. If course not everywhere would have an APRS receiver, but I'm sure the tracker could cache data until it finds a receiving station.

What are the power requirements for something like that? Since the stations are much less densely distributed than cell towers I'd expect you'd have to use a lot more energy transmitting if you'd hope to get any data. This needs to be light enough to attach to an eagle.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

#28
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A solution could be to design the system to make calls directly to a list of ornitologists or ornitologist societies in the other countries, that shouldn't be really complicated to arrange and then ask them to return the data by standard e-mail. Is a small world. Or store the eagles travel data in a cloud, that feels also poetically appropriate for this case

The problem here is data roaming charges. Those do not depend on the destination of the message. They are incurred when you send bytes to a cell tower operated by a carrier outside your plan.

Re: Migrating Russian eagles run up data roaming charges

#29

In South Africa the traffic lights had some cards in them at one point and the same things happened. Traffic lights smashed so the cards could be used.

That's such a South African story. People will steal anything there (kind of understandable when there's so much poverty.)
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