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Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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> There is ZERO reason a large company with resources can't make sure that things like this don't happen IMHO, large companies don’t always work in perfect, laser-focused speculation. As a result lots of big companies have competing “pulls” — eg fiefdoms. Interference from investors. New CEOs who are still finding their feet. Lame duck CEOs. Regulatory distractions. In theory a company would be laser focused on custo…

> As a result lots of big companies have competing “pulls” — eg fiefdoms. Exactly. Why? Because they suck plain and simple. My wife (a highly paid and educated professional) just wasted 3 hours today trying to get a simple new cable box installed from Verizon. Earlier she tried to have Best Buy do a simple TV pickup and ended up having to cut her losses cancel Best Buy and just get 800junk to pick it up (at a higher…

Corporations are officially aligned with the interests of shareholders, and unofficially aligned with the interests of management, many of whom are more interested in turf wars and power plays than in doing their jobs.

Customers come at the bottom of that list.

In a worker-hostile culture, employees at all levels can easily become passive aggressive towards customers, because they're caught between bullying by management, which they have no control over, and pushback from angry customers, which they also have no control over.

MS has always operated like this. It's a huge machine that spends far more energy on internal politics, PR and impression management, and status games than it does on producing solid, reliable, beautifully crafted products. Personally my experience of MS products has been that the absolute best products are ok, I guess, while the worst have been so incompetently made they've been barely usable.

Apple has begun to operate like this. Jobs was User Number 1 and could push back on UX he didn't like. He wasn't always right, and he couldn't cover everything, but his influence was always there.

Cook is more of an autocrat and I strongly suspect he has an unconscious passive aggressive stance towards users. Apple has consistently produced high-profile user frustrations during his tenure - Maps, keyboard-gate, the reluctance to support pro users, Catalina, general software quality, among others - and there's been no move to make structural and cultural changes that could make future mistakes less likely.

Meanwhile the share price is doing just fine.

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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2003 was the pinnacle of MS Office for me. The introduction of the ‘Ribbon of Confusion’ in 2007 around the time of the adoption of 16:9 screens was appalling. The ribbon was welded to the top of the screen leaving a letterbox sized area for your documents. It was like using a toolbar encrusted IE.

This all happened when Adobe were demonstrating excellent UI design in their pro apps with pallets that could be docked or moved about as required. It was like MS looked at InDesign and Photoshop and simply didn’t understand what they were copying, which imho typifies many MS design decisions.

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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The early 2000's were a period of especially low usability for Microsoft's products. If you thought that was bad... look at the "app-ombinations" which pass for productivity software today. Wide expanses of useless whitespace, low-contrast ultra-thin fonts, monochrome hieroglyphic icons everywhere, patronising "cute" and unhelpful messages, the ridiculous levels of bloat, and of course the pervasive spyware --- or "t…

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This, but unironically.

We haven't made a great deal of progress moving forward, actually. Twenty years of churn and bloating system requirements.

Give me Word 2003, Visual Studio 6, and AIM Messenger again and I don't think I'd be much disappointed compared to what I'm running today.

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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It's not the bugs that are an issue with 10. It's the mountains of nagware, spyware and advertisements built in to it.

I use 10 daily and see no ads. Where does windows 10 show ads?

Also the logon screen that is now delightful except someone has sold on the idea that they should add clickbait ads for msn and bing - even on pro and enterprise Windows..!

I imagine management in Microsoft is like a fight in the wheelhouse:

Someone trying to make the best OS there is.

Others trying to do ads everywhere like Google.

Some trying to be a reaponsible reliable company, others somehow managing to to crazy price hikes.

Some trying to be friends with open source, others pushing Edge really hard (but, in fairness, still not as ugly as Google was pushing Chrome at its worst.)

Etc etc

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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post #148

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The early 2000's were a period of especially low usability for Microsoft's products. If you thought that was bad... look at the "app-ombinations" which pass for productivity software today. Wide expanses of useless whitespace, low-contrast ultra-thin fonts, monochrome hieroglyphic icons everywhere, patronising "cute" and unhelpful messages, the ridiculous levels of bloat, and of course the pervasive spyware --- or "t…

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Everything enabling your pocket computer is hardware progress, nothing software related.

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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post #148

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The early 2000's were a period of especially low usability for Microsoft's products. If you thought that was bad... look at the "app-ombinations" which pass for productivity software today. Wide expanses of useless whitespace, low-contrast ultra-thin fonts, monochrome hieroglyphic icons everywhere, patronising "cute" and unhelpful messages, the ridiculous levels of bloat, and of course the pervasive spyware --- or "t…

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Are you arguing that hardware is software or something?

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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Bill was doing a fantastic job here, but it is a bit too sad to see how most of the executives in the mail show much less concern for the company's and customer's goals, and more concerns on who should own the problem. I think this is a bit too common in any corporate environment.

Yup, that stood out to me too. I've seen this all too often too.

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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The early 2000's were a period of especially low usability for Microsoft's products. At the time, I had a roommate who was a die-hard Windows user. Over several years, I tried to convince him to switch to Mac OS X, with examples like: (a) Just drag/drop a PDF to a printer spool window, and it will print; (b) to install an app, usually you just have to drag it to the Applications folder; to uninstall it, simply drag i…

Still to this day people view Windows through the lense of XP experiences. I always wonder how much damage that era did. People claimed to "love" XP, but they are all rose tinted in memory. Everyone hated XP until SP2 and SP3. The Security Center was something everyone hated too. But yeah, some things it did really well, but others not so much. 10 is so much better than people give it credit for, and yes there are st…

Windows XP, Vista, and 7 were all fine. I just enabled the classic design and things largely worked and looked the same in key UX aspects. I'm still only using 7 (virtualized) and what I've seen from 10 on colleagues' computers looks much worse and more complicated UI than what xp-v-7 ever did. Don't even get me started how difficult it is to get your hands on Windows 10 LTSC as a private individual -- which would be the sucessor to 7, if any. I sure won't ever touch a consumer version of 10...even if it's called (pseudo) pro.

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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Still to this day people view Windows through the lense of XP experiences. I always wonder how much damage that era did. People claimed to "love" XP, but they are all rose tinted in memory. Everyone hated XP until SP2 and SP3. The Security Center was something everyone hated too. But yeah, some things it did really well, but others not so much. 10 is so much better than people give it credit for, and yes there are st…

It's not the bugs that are an issue with 10. It's the mountains of nagware, spyware and advertisements built in to it.

Also the unbelievable amounts of inconsistent interfaces.

There should be some rule internally at Microsoft that institutes a complete ban on new settings UI unless it actually replaces old UI. The amount of times I need to fall back to the old UI is absurd. Also - I'm not sure programmers appreciate how jarring it even is to have the same settings presented in two places. It forces users to construct some kind of mental model of the behind-the-scenes-actual settings, because of course the two dialogs sort of match, but not quite. Usually there are a bunch of settings only in the old dialog, and a few new ones only in the new, and some interactions between settings are meaningful, so... you basically just fiddle till it works or breaks.

Any (significant) UI change is bad. Churn is bad. If you want to change the UI because the old one really isn't good enough anymore, you want to do so as infrequently as possible, and as completely as possible: no two-slightly-inconsistent-UIs-at-once. Realize that every change starts with a serious downside and needs a lot of upside to compensate.

So I get that Microsoft wants to update some of the windows settings stuff (and other integrated apps). But the aim must be for a fairly quick transition; no years of overlap. And if for some reason overlap is absolutely inevitable, then sorry, you're going to have to make both systems 100% equivalent. Yes, that means adding features to the old UI, and adding legacy options to the new UI - but at least that way there's a migration path. The alternative is the mess we have now: little point in even having all those settings, because 99% of users are merely going to be hurt by all those options they cannot actually control correctly.

I'd honestly rather have retained some legacy win95 era controls and have only one control for each option, than this mess. If you're going to fix it... fix it already!

Re: Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003)

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It's not the bugs that are an issue with 10. It's the mountains of nagware, spyware and advertisements built in to it.

I use 10 daily and see no ads. Where does windows 10 show ads?

I have yet to see ads also, but I do turn off all the unnecessary stuff at installation time. There is this option on Lock Screen settings called Get fun facts, tips, tricks and more on your lock screen and Show more tiles on the Start settings that can bring stuff out and probably some other more spread around, of course they won't make it nicely like Opt out of all ads across Windows just because.
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