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My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

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Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#131
FWIW, I kind of don't believe that this question is real. Questioner clams that he is a VP but also:

> He has no idea how liquidation preferences work

> He was "told" that the company was being acquired (instead of being involved in the sale)

> No one at the company walked him through how his stock was valued, even after the acquisition. To the point that he thinks he needs to hire a lawyer.

It's a fine question to use as a lead in to explaining how stock options work, and that's a fine thing to write about. But I'd bet money that the author made up the question.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parasites writing these contracts are counting on people not taking the time to become experts in shady startup contracts. As evidenced by this article, it's working.

The contracts in question aren't shady in the majority of cases. Again, liquidation preferences are perfectly fair.

Honest question here:

as an employee (non-founder) do you have a say in liquidation preferences of future rounds of investment?

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be sensible for the founders and investors, but is it sensible for the employees? Many startup employees are paid to a significant extent in stock and do not understand the situation they end up in. They are also powerless and just have to trust that the founders and investors will treat them well. Rationally, this leads to many of the best people ignoring the startup world

VCs really don't care about "sweat equity" or "discounted salary equity". They believe that if you don't bring actual cash to the table then you aren't risking as much as them (even though they are only putting their clients money, not their personal money in most cases). That's one reason I didn't have trouble bailing on a startup I helped start. We took in $1.5mm, did some things poorly (such is life but learned go…

I was the third employee at a startup. I was young and stupid and thought "20,000 shares" was a lot. I worked my ass off, it was immensely stressful, but we built and launched a product. I later found out it wasn't much of a stake at all- .1% and that's even before any dilution shenanigans and all that. We took a paycut part of the way through, had our 401k contributions slashed and such.

A company in the space (but doing something different) called and made me an offer for twice what I was making. I was the lead developer by that point, had my hands in every significant piece of code, understood how everything fit together and such, and was appalled when I found out that I had such a small piece of the total pie. I demanded more, like 20x more, and they made it sound like I was asking to sleep with their wives. Then they absolutely howled that I was screwing them over by leaving right at launch- they asked me to stay for 3 months, which I said sure- if you match my new salary plus a little more as a retention bonus and to make up for some of the paycut, and again they howled at how could I do this to them...

It was a painful lesson, but I learned something very important- Do not work like you are an owner if you are just an employee! I still to this day (this was 10 years ago now) feel very taken advantage of. I was working tons of late nights and weekends, was a super fanboy of the company, at one point I was going to buy us a company logo made out of Legos to hang on our wall, and now I just cringe at the thought.

There are so many ways to lose in the startup game, just so many, its really not worth playing anymore IMHO unless you are a founder or very early stage employee with material access to the financials and such.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#134

As a normal individual contributor not at the C-level or even management level, I just assume the value of any options/shares I receive is zero unless an accountant or the IRS tells me I should believe otherwise. Too many goofy fine-print shenanigans like this to keep track of.

The IRS has a pretty good incentive to value your options/shares as high as the can, their goals and yours are not aligned. Your accountant may be closer to the true value, but even then it may end up significantly lower or higher in practice.

The only thing that accurately values your shares is a sale.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#135
This is why you should get a proper salary even if you are working at a "hot startup". Were you expecting a $1m gross payout from owning 1% of a $100m company? That's the kind of gross income you'd get every 2 years of working at Googbookagramazon. Consider opportunity costs carefully.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#136
This article is really weird, because the person in Dogpatch says they were granted OPTIONS not stock. So it's possible that this doesn't even touch on liquidation preferences and the strike price was just higher than the sale price.

But if we assume that this was RSUs, or that the strike price was just a fraction of the sale price, I still think the common advice of "consider start-up equity to be worthless" is a little overzealous. Unless the founders accepted some outrageous terms it's probably the case that your options are worth a lot in a company that's doing well. If the company stops growing or takes a down round that's when you should start thinking of your shares as useless.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#137
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The contracts in question aren't shady in the majority of cases. Again, liquidation preferences are perfectly fair.

Honest question here: as an employee (non-founder) do you have a say in liquidation preferences of future rounds of investment?

It depends on whether your role in the company means that you are part of negotiating the deal. If you are the CEO: then probably yes. If you're an IC engineer: then probably not.

Relatedly, most of these deal terms are pretty standardized. In the vast majority of cases there aren't a lot of negotiations around liquidation preferences, only negotiations around valuations. The exceptions to the rule tend to happen for very large or late stage fundraises.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#138

That's a nice answer but the question really needed a lot more information for it to be the right answer. There are quite a few ways in which small shareholders can get screwed, this article illustrates just one of them and quite possibly not the one that bit the questioner.

This is exactly my thought. The author is just guessing. There are 95 comments here, and they are just guessing too. The real reason of why the employee got zilch would be found by just reading the documentation - the legal agreements awarding the stock options, the purchase and sale agreements, incorporation docs...

There is some chance that the questioner doesn't even exist and that question was just written to be able to write the article in response to it.

Re: My company sold for $100M and I got zilch – how can that be?

#139
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For anyone thinking about working for startups: - don't treat verbal agreements seriously - common stock is 99.9% worthless, you want preferred stock - liquidation preference is important, if company doesn't want to tell you, insist on market-rate salary - if a company tries to switch from an LLC to C-Corp and move you from being a minority owner of LLC (0.1-3%) into a common-stock owner of a C-Corp with the same %,…

Any equity that is offered with secret terms should be valued at zero. In my experience nobody will tell you, so always go for market rate salaries.
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