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Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by zuck9 » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:33 PM UTC

333c wrote: post #325

hemmert wrote: post #24

On my iPhone SE, it is also well-spaced and perfectly cropped, omitting the 'copy' row and perfectly finishing below the second line of icons. (I actually have a PhD in human-computer interaction and I'm a professor for UX design. It took me a two days to figure out where all those functions, which somehow appeared to be accessible 'only through apps' (or people ;)), went. Oh well...)

Weird — on my SE the "copy" row is only half-visible at the bottom so it's clear that I can scroll.

Do you have a non-standard font size? If not, maybe OP does.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by com2kid » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:37 PM UTC

dreamcompiler wrote: post #105

achow wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our designers seem more interested in coolness than usability. I think a lot of designers are big on artistry but low on understanding how to help people actually use things. This stereotyping of a profession is becoming a cliché and is being rude towards a profession who has contributed so much to make technology accessible. The example in the blog would not have been intention of the design spec, it looks like mo…

Designers deserve every bit of this stereotyping. There was a time when designers were taught to value fitness for use . Now "design" seems to be exclusively about aesthetics. This may be rooted in how designers are taught or simply in how they now practice. Or it could be that managers insist on aesthetics-only, in which case designers need to push back hard. Whatever the cause it's a failure on the part of designer…

> There was a time when designers were taught to value fitness for use.

I've worked with designers who I saw specifically laying elements out so as to avoid the issue the article author's wife ran into.

There is a problem though. Phone screens are of variable height, and user's can change their font settings. While this issue shouldn't happen with default settings with OEM apps or UX elements, it is not possible to avoid it completely given the exact wrong set of circumstances lining up.

Of course, not hiding the scroll bar would be best, and ideal is having multiple affordances, such as partially clipped content and a scroll bar.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by toupeira » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

tapland wrote: post #225

senectus1 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rofl, just yesterday I was teasing a ex apple employee about how I can do that very same trick in Android but apple can't do it unless you install the Google keyboard.... Even HE didn't know this trick was in the default some keyboard! Can't wait to show him on Monday... Lol

Can't get that working in my android

It's in the Gboard settings under "Glide typing": "Enable gesture cursor control". There's also "Enable gesture delete".

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by lucb1e » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:44 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #202

djsumdog wrote: post #165

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The Windows 95/98 scroll bars were vastly superior to those in Win10. No matter the size of the window or the scrollable content, you can tell what is the scroll bar and what isn't. On Win 10 it's sometimes ambiguous. Removing the scroll bar when you're not scrolling is the worst design decision.

Hmm, idk, perhaps a midway between removal and hiding would be to collapse it to ~1px so you gain real estate but still see the position in the document?

I use that from time to time. Some applications and some desktop environments on Linux do that. It's horrible, might as well not have a visible scroll bar at all. I'm fine if they're a little more narrow than the traditional Windows 95 ones, and the color can certainly be improved (maybe translucent Windows task bar / color-adapting Android notification bar), but expanding or hidden scroll bars are both super annoying on desktops.

On mobile I'm fine with hidden ones. Since attempting to scroll down never has an unintended action (I'm sure someone on the Internet can name an exception, but I can't name a single one so it's not the common case) I always just try to scroll and notice when it doesn't go further.

Maybe for desktop, it might be solved by having a free spinning scroll wheel. Then you can flick like on mobile and nearly never need to actually drag the scroll bar. In the rare case that you do, you can still grab the one that appears on demand (like in many mobile apps), and by appearing on demand you have a visual indicator of how much more there is. (The home/end buttons also go a long way, but one doesn't always want to scroll to the end or use the keyboard.) But until we universally have such mice...

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by kccqzy » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:44 PM UTC

achow wrote: post #96

coldcode wrote: post #48

Our mainstream iOS app has tons of these kind of issues. Our designers seem more interested in coolness than usability. I think a lot of designers are big on artistry but low on understanding how to help people actually use things. I did UI design back in the 80's when it was actually a programmer duty more than an art thing. Of course back then were no phone sized screens and the UIs were much simpler in desktop app…

> Our designers seem more interested in coolness than usability. I think a lot of designers are big on artistry but low on understanding how to help people actually use things. This stereotyping of a profession is becoming a cliché and is being rude towards a profession who has contributed so much to make technology accessible. The example in the blog would not have been intention of the design spec, it looks like mo…

I don't understand your point. Shouldn't designers design the interfaces for all devices and screen sizes? If a designer fails to account for the specific sizes of an actually supported device then it is the designer's fault; perhaps just an oversight but nevertheless a fault. If the designer thinks it is fine to only design for iPhone X and above and let older devices suffer from inattention, it is most definitely the designer's fault that has made technology inaccessible to users that might not be affluent enough to afford newer devices.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by com2kid » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:50 PM UTC

newscracker wrote: post #138

the_duke wrote: post #10

I switched to Android around the time iPhone 5 came out. Whenever I touch one now, I feel like a idiot and dinosaur. It can take me minutes to figure out the most basic things, and often I end up searching on the web. In the pursuit of a "clean" UI, iOS has become completely unintuitive and confusing.

The poor design described in the article is really bad. But > Whenever I touch one now, I feel like a idiot and dinosaur. It can take me minutes to figure out the most basic things, and often I end up searching on the web. This is exactly how I feel when I pick an Android phone (even with stock Android). Finding apps and launching them quickly seems like an art to learn. And don’t even get me started on how settings…

> Finding apps and launching them quickly seems like an art to learn.

Swipe up from home screen, the launcher + search bar appears.

It is somewhat annoying that none of the primary buttons now brings up the launcher, but that change happened long ago. :/ IIRC pressing the home button while on the home screen would make the launcher appear. Since it is Android there is probably a utility to add that back.

Of course users can also arrange apps on their home screen however they want and ignore the launcher altogether.

> Funnily enough, among all the Android users I’ve seen, everyone has a habit of force killing their apps every time they close it!

I haven't witnessed this, but anecdotes are useless! I've had to show iOS users how to force kill misbehaving apps. Back in the days of 1 button knowing the right sequence of taps / holds to activate any of the button's many features was, well, the exact opposite of intuitive. Not that the modern practice of various arbitrary swipes around the screen to do stuff is much better.

On stock Android, one button is switch task, one button is go home, one button is go back. Three of the most common things users want to do, all right there.

A quick access menu + notifications can be pulled down from the top. Pull down once to get notifications and common shortcuts (Wi-Fi, flashlight, rotate, Do Not disturb, shortcut to settings), pull down again to get less commonly used options (Airplane Mode, BT Toggle, manual brightness adjustment)

Media playback stuff is done in the same UI as notifications, media playback apps pin a card to the top of the notifications list. No separate UI to learn, everything is in one place.

Don't get me wrong, Android used to be terrible. It was slow, buggy, and background apps had free rein to thrash the system to the point of it being unusable. But now days it is pretty good.

Also I can set my own animated wallpapers, so that is pretty nifty.

(But seriously, Windows Phone 7, most discoverable UI ever!)

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by dang » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:50 PM UTC

wrongsystem wrote: post #262

This is all wrong! If there is anything to discuss about Apple products: it´s the brutal and oppressive work system they established in china, their support of surveillance dictatorships around the world, their destructive forced obsolescence and the impudent refusal to contribute to societies by paying taxes like every citizen does. It is an evil, cynical gang of criminals that are actively destroying the future of…

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by egypturnash » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:52 PM UTC

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #346

dpcan wrote: post #156

"But I see them impact my aging parents all the time." I've realized lately that I'm actually entering this zone. For the last 20 years I've been talking about how stuff like this is a nightmare for the "aging" community. 20 years is a long time, and now I'm falling into it. The big one for me in this new version of iOS was that: 1) I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my…

This particular iOS thing has also been annoying me since I upgraded to iOS 13 (which for the record, has otherwise been very positive for me). I really wish they had done some kind of "Here's what is new" tutorial. Rearranging icons in folders is still a clusterf--k though - am I the only one that ends up fighting sometimes just to a) get the icon into the folder I want and b) actually keep it there without accident…

god yes I fucking hate trying to rearrange my icons

oh look I accidentally moved this icon between two others and it reflowed everything and the last icon in THIS screen is the first on on the NEXT screen and this cascaded to the next few as well, now I get to move them all back, joy!

It's especially fun when you are trying to put an icon into a folder in the last slot in a screen and it slips to the next page instead. JOY. UNMTIGATED JOY AND DELIGHT.

And I still hate how you can't have any organization for your icons beyond "all of them crammed up towards the top left of the screen". I still miss that from Android and I still miss that from the days when there was a usable jailbreak.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by egypturnash » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 7:58 PM UTC

TuringNYC wrote: post #388

dpcan wrote: post #156

"But I see them impact my aging parents all the time." I've realized lately that I'm actually entering this zone. For the last 20 years I've been talking about how stuff like this is a nightmare for the "aging" community. 20 years is a long time, and now I'm falling into it. The big one for me in this new version of iOS was that: 1) I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my…

For me and the whole family, sharing via WhatsApp has gone from being the first option to being hidden under a sub-menu. Naturally my mom has stopped sharing photos on WhatsApp since the iOS upgrade. Certainly there is local historical telemetry data so removing one of the most-used options during an upgrade seems careless.

Deep at the bottom of that submenu is a place where she can change the order of what's shown in the share menus, but the likelyhood of her ever finding this is of course nil.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by influx » Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

avip wrote: post #403

nothrabannosir wrote: post #318

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> 1. Do a three finger unpinch gesture, and it will paste at the cursor. Crazy! Apparently there's a whole set of commands accessible this way, most notably three finger swipe left = undo!!! This is a significant improvement. They could've told me while I was painstakingly shake - confirm undo - shake - confirm undo - shake - confirm undo ...... ing!

I'm gonna be publicly ridiculed for this one and I'm good with that. I've been trying to get the show desktop gesture on my mac right for years. You know, the one that "windows-D" was doing so loyaly for ages. My habit is to arbitrarily swipe as many fingers as I can find available from center of trackpad outwards. It used to take me ~10 trials to get it right. And now, enlightened by this random thread, I suddenly f…

I had no idea what you meant with "swipe 3 fingers upwards and one downward", but the image and description at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204895 made it much more clear.