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Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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This is an unsurprising position to hold when you don’t know (or refuse to acknowledge) the difference between gender and sex. Do you think people who transition to a different gender think there’s no difference between the two?

Gender has until recently been a synonym for sex. If you are referring to gender identity, then use that term.

I don't know if I would say recently, this distinction started becoming used in the early 60s which was almost 60 years ago.

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It's all the social stuff that goes along with being a "man", "woman", or whatever other identity we adopt.

I don't understand how someone can simply adopt stereotypes of another gender, consider themselves that gender, and then be considered that gender. If I'm a man according to my chromosomes, but my mannerisms, grooming, music and fashion choices are considered feminine, am I woman? Or just a feminine man? And if I'm a woman, but I'm still attracted to other women, am I entitled to represent myself as a lesbian? All I'…

> The only thing left is what label I want to put on myself, which is largely meaningless.

That's... that's the point. I'll refer to you however you want to be referred (inb4 helicopter joke). There's nothing more to it. Just accept other people's preference and move on with your day. It's that simple.

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Social Psychology has one of the worst reproducibility problems in all of academia. Claims like this make is easy to see why. Simple scientific inquiry into this claim leads me to the question, “Okay, but why? That women potentially harbor worse feelings of their ex partners on average than men is one of the most interesting but useless things I’ve heard. The confounding explanations for this type of research are min…

I agree. It seems to be to be a case of 'sounds like it might be right, lets see how far we can run with it'. Ultimately, I can only see a few benefits of this line of enquiry. E.g. "Honey, I'm sorry - but it's not really my fault, it's just my genetic make-up .." Ultimately, while we may be descended from lizards, rationalising behaviours based on our physiological origins might not be that useful. Especially when s…

People need to learn that statements about differences in group averages are not "sweeping" statements. Almost all psychological measurements vary much more within groups than between groups, and reports of differences in group averages tell us basically nothing about any individual.

Yet, the effects might appear in contexts involving many individuals.

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It's all the social stuff that goes along with being a "man", "woman", or whatever other identity we adopt.

I don't understand how someone can simply adopt stereotypes of another gender, consider themselves that gender, and then be considered that gender. If I'm a man according to my chromosomes, but my mannerisms, grooming, music and fashion choices are considered feminine, am I woman? Or just a feminine man? And if I'm a woman, but I'm still attracted to other women, am I entitled to represent myself as a lesbian? All I'…

You're confusing sex with gender. Sex is biological, gender is cultural, albeit often correlated with biology.

For instance - it was once considered perfectly masculine behavior for men to wear pantyhose, high heels and makeup, and to kiss each another on the mouth. Now, those traits would likely be considered feminine (or at least, not masculine.)

Does that mean men were formerly somehow more biologically female, because they expressed what we would consider feminine traits? Obviously not. Was their gender female, then? Not in the context of their own culture, they were men being what men were considered to be.

It does mean the constructs of "masculinity" and "femininity" are not innately biological, and that the correlation between sex and gender is mostly a manifestation of cultural norms, not biological imperative.

All of the confusion in your comment seems to stem from the assumption that sex and gender are a priori the same. You may find Wikipedia's article on gender to be useful[0].

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

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> Second, there may be gender differences in the perceived causes of breakups. Women blame their male partners more often for breakups than men blame their female partners (Choo et al., 1996). In addition, women more frequently report problematic partner behaviors as the reason for a breakup, such as infidelity, substance abuse, and mental or physical abuse (Amato & Previti, 2003; Morris, Reiber, & Roman, 2015). Men,…

Not to mention a lot of guys won't break up with someone when they want to, but will instead do things to get the person to dump them.

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It's enough for the criterion to be real in order to be of interest. And this one is definitely real.

Okay, this is where I leave you I'm afraid.

You are essentially arguing that all gender studies are useless because there is parity among individuals in each gender. It's true there is parity, but the scientific division between male and female is very clear. It seems VERY useful to study the differences. To throw them away because all men and women aren't identical feels to me like a terribly short sighted perspective.

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Alternatively, society ascribes agency to men in a way it doesn't to women, and so men are less likely to blame external factors or expect support.

Right, they just need to man up. I say that in jest but you hit on an important part of it. While some may not admit fault in the open, Men (I know I am generalizing) do internalize failure, it is a core part of their ego and identity. So it would seem natural for them to internalize the failure of a relationship.

>>they just need to man up

This is exactly what men are told.

One good example where the difference can be demonstrated clearly is forums devoted to dating questions. A lot of people come there to whine and they get very different responses depending on gender. Guys almost always get something along the lines of "be more confident, go to gym, be more interesting, etc", while girls gets reassured that they are totally fine, just not lucky yet

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True. Thing is, they already talk about these men before they are exes. I get the whole story, from first meeting to breakup.

Getting one side of the story is not getting the whole story.

I know, most of the time the side I was getting was the side of the story my male friends told me.

But for the last 5-10 years I also got the side of my female partners.

Sometimes even both sides in parallel, because my partners would date my friends.

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The article says they only looked at heterosexual relationships, so there's that.

But the articles title just says "men" and "women" not "straight/heterosexual men/women". Seems like a more accurate title would include the fact since you're talking about people in relation to their sexual partners.

It's a title. If you want full details, read the article.
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