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Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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I love my wife completely. She is perfect for me. I cannot see my life without her. When I travel for work, everyday I am away I miss her and she is never far from my mind. We have been together for 20 years. There was a whole set of women before her. There was one for 5 years. The other day it was her (5 year relationship) birthday and I remembered randomly after noticing the date and dropped her a short note wishing her a happy birthday. So as a proof point for me at least, I guess this is true. Looking back at all the relationships from the past, with the exception of one, I generally still have a positive view to all of them. In some way the things I learned from those relationships have made my marriage so much stronger. It is strange because as I write this I think back to how I handled my relationships and breakups when I was younger and I cannot understand my behavior at that time anymore. I wonder if it is just time that removes any negative view? It would be interesting to know if the positive attitude has a time component.

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#152

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Honestly? Because sex is a borderline bad word in polite company, and can get you into trouble if someone misses context and thinks you're talking about sex sex, while gender isn't a problematic word. The United States is so damned puritan in its culture that it's risky to use words that have a normal context that's problematic. [For instance, someone could overhear it out of context and think you're being inappropri…

To support your point: I've seen products avoid using "sex" on a form in favor of "gender", when what they mean is "sex". Like, the difference was brought up in meetings, and they just didn't want to have the word "sex" appear in their program because it seemed more immediately eye-catching and distracting (and they're probably kinda right).

To be fair, until recently almost everyone considered gender to be a synonym for sex.

Now people are taking "gender identity" and shortening it to be gender and taking exception to people using the synonym as we always have.

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#153

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You appear to be confusing grammar and biology. Why shy away from the word 'sex' when discussing sex?

Honestly? Because sex is a borderline bad word in polite company, and can get you into trouble if someone misses context and thinks you're talking about sex sex, while gender isn't a problematic word. The United States is so damned puritan in its culture that it's risky to use words that have a normal context that's problematic. [For instance, someone could overhear it out of context and think you're being inappropri…

The only way for the political correctness nonsense to go away is to desensitise society to it.

Sex is not a bad word. If someone misinterprets your use of a word, that's their problem.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

#155
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Thank you. I looked at the paper initially wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner, and, while not resolving that, I ended up finding that while the researchers record the type of breakup (substance abuse, personal problems, infidelity, etc), none of their quantified metrics appear to use this as a variable. I'd be curious to see how the outcom…

> wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner Curious how this is relevant to the study? Roughly 0.001% of women are killed by a male partner each year in the US and - while terrible in of itself - I can't see it affecting the results of this study in any significant way.

Murder’s only the most extreme outcome. Physical harm happens at much higher rates than murder, and abuse might well affect this study.

Rates of violence between partners show men instigating and abusing more often. A couple of different UN and US sources here are showing that a little over one in five women experiences abuse during her lifetime, compared to a bit under one in ten men: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_Uni...

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Among US women, fear/wariness-of and preparedness-for attempts at bodily harm and abusive behavior by men appears to be near-universal. EDIT: Removed bad pre-coffee math. See replies below for better math. I hope this helps you see why such a consideration could be considered relevant to the study.

> 0.001% of US women is somewhere in the six-figures territory (125,000 per year if I do my math right) No - you're off by two orders of magnitude. Much closer to ~1500 women/year. That's still ~1500 too many, no question. But is it likely to impact this study in any meaningful way? Seems unlikely to me (to put it mildly). > Among US women, fear/wariness-of and preparedness-for attempts at bodily harm and abusive beh…

I apologize that my reply does not meet your standards. It is not my intent to "move the goalposts", but simply to convey a mindset you seemed not to recognize, in order to help you understand why they might have included that concern. You now grasp that mindset, even if my construction was terrible. I am grateful that you were able to discern my intent regardless.

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#157
post #60

Social Psychology has one of the worst reproducibility problems in all of academia. Claims like this make is easy to see why. Simple scientific inquiry into this claim leads me to the question, “Okay, but why? That women potentially harbor worse feelings of their ex partners on average than men is one of the most interesting but useless things I’ve heard. The confounding explanations for this type of research are min…

>Simple scientific inquiry into this claim leads me to the question, “Okay, but why?"

Well, the "why" is relevant to whether the statement is true. So it's not like you need to answer the "why" to be able to see if something is the case or not.

>That women potentially harbor worse feelings of their ex partners on average than men is one of the most interesting but useless things I’ve heard.

Useless because you can't think of a specific utility?

Not all discoveries have some immediate utility -- but they can pile up, and lead to useful discoveries. Baby steps and all...

But even this information alone, could be useful for social workers, con-men, marriage counselors, advertisers, and other categories, even without a why attached...

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#158

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Gender identity is an emergent social construct, there isn't anything biological about it.

If there is nothing innate to the human on Gender identity, if its purely a construct, then you can engage in full repression of gender identities with no consequences.

Weird, doesn't seem to work that way with religion.

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#159

I love my wife completely. She is perfect for me. I cannot see my life without her. When I travel for work, everyday I am away I miss her and she is never far from my mind. We have been together for 20 years. There was a whole set of women before her. There was one for 5 years. The other day it was her (5 year relationship) birthday and I remembered randomly after noticing the date and dropped her a short note wishin…

This is my perspective as well... only 1-2 women I've dated do I have negative feelings for and it's mostly a "do not ever talk to them, ever" kind of feeling, not an "I have to get revenge" feeling.

I've been with my girl for 5 years now and there's no other girl for me. If we're apart for more than a day it feels like I've lost a limb or half of my soul.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

#160
post #95

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In the first paragraph you're asking for causal explanation. Then in the second paragraph you're dishing out a bunch of potential causal explanations as confounders. Some researchers would deem it over-reaching to dish out causal explanations willy nilly. Most of those questions should be relegated to follow-up studies or a BRIEF mention in the discussion section. It's perfectly okay science to simply observe a pheno…

If you don't have the causal explanations then you cannot generalize beyond the population you sampled. What does that mean? That the correct conclusion to draw is very narrow: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do [in Graz, Austria, in the year 2019]

Yet another study about WEIRD people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology#WEIRD

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