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قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by boudin »

lloeki wrote: post #182
detuur wrote: post #84

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> binary source format Easily the single most diabolical thing I've heard all week.

Not even sure it's actually encrypted as much as it's a memory dump, old skool .doc style. > diabolical You have no idea. I've worked with devs using it (and had to debug their code more often than not): the thing is hell, through and through, from the stdlib itself (buggy as fsck[0], terribly leaky abstractions[1], ridiculously contrived[2]) to the IDE to the concepts (worse than VB, you store procedures in windows…

So much memory... My first dev experience was with windev, I never mentioned it on my resume. Like you said, everything was really bad, from their aggressive sexist marketing to every single part of their product.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by hypacrosaurus »

It hurts because English-centric people feels excluded by their non-understanding of a thing written in another language, suddenly realising other cultures in the world can exist independently, and it's a history fate if English is the de facto language of IT. « Algorithm » is originally an arabic word and first algorithms come from babylonians, they were written in cuneiform.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by mkr-hn »

minikites wrote: post #245
cyborgx7 wrote: post #167

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So glad this turned out to be a joke in the second paragraf. The first is very believable. I've definitely encountered people who would write something like it unironically.

That's one of the biggest problems with sarcasm/irony in casual writing. There's always someone who misunderstands and treats it as serious. This problem is amplified by the number of eyes a typical internet comment receives. It's a major way people are radicalized by internet communities. There's always a proportion of members who are being "ironically" sexist/racist/discriminatory but eventually people take it seri…

I watched this happen in /r/TumblrInAction. Over the years it got more mean spirited and fell for more obvious trolls/satire as people less committed to the cause of disrespecting self-identity moved on. Now it's all "lol attack helicopters" and cruelty, and half the former regulars are now queer leftist furries.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by danpalmer »

missosoup wrote: post #256
danpalmer wrote: post #165

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> There's a reason why e.g. air traffic control speaks english no matter the ethnicity (as per the ICAO standard). Yes. The reason is that air traffic control inherently requires people from different regions and languages to communicate quickly in life or death situations. Ease of being an air-traffic controller is not a primary motivating factor, and getting more diverse input isn't really a useful feature. On the…

> On the other hand, ease of being a developer should be something we strive for. Yeah, no. I want to strive for a field of professionals who know what they're doing instead of every second 'engineer' being a script kiddie with a MOOC or two of Python under their belt and nothing else. The barriers need to come way up from where they are today, not be lowered even further.

I'm not talking about lowering standards, I'm talking about lowering barriers. The difference is that barriers are things that aren't necessary.

It is not necessary to be male, white, or English speaking, to be an excellent engineer, and yet those groups are significantly over represented.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by Supermancho »

minikites wrote: post #245
cyborgx7 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So glad this turned out to be a joke in the second paragraf. The first is very believable. I've definitely encountered people who would write something like it unironically.

That's one of the biggest problems with sarcasm/irony in casual writing. There's always someone who misunderstands and treats it as serious. This problem is amplified by the number of eyes a typical internet comment receives. It's a major way people are radicalized by internet communities. There's always a proportion of members who are being "ironically" sexist/racist/discriminatory but eventually people take it seri…

I loath the cheap humor aspect to forum commentary. It is hurtful as noise or incidentally inflammatory, as you mentioned. There is no way to eliminate it, but that isnt the point. I dont promote pure misdirection.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

hu3 wrote: post #244
tpush wrote: post #178

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This comment is a good way to see all the HN users who go off of a comment without reading it fully.

Time is limited. I'd be lying if I said that I read all comments in full when their first paragraph appear to be nonsense. I'd rather move on to the next comment.

Is this what it means for communities to be too large? Like, you'd never do this to a coworker or a friend, but here there's enough content and users that you can say "fuck it" and assume you know better than what you didn't actually read.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by magashna »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #344
fxj wrote: post #318

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This is valid python3, try it out. 數字 = 23 運行 = True 假 = False 整數=int 輸入=input 印出=print while 運行: 猜測 = 整數(輸入('輸入一個數字: ')) if 猜測 == 數字: 印出('恭喜, 你猜對了.') 運行 = 假 # 這會讓循環語句結束 elif 猜測 See: http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/11/21/chinese-python-translat...

You can write Perl in Latin or Klingon: Latin from https://metacpan.org/pod/release/DCONWAY/Lingua-Romana-Perli... : use Lingua::Romana::Perligata; adnota Illud Cribrum Eratothenis maximum tum val inquementum tum biguttam tum stadium egresso scribe. da meo maximo vestibulo perlegementum. maximum comementum tum novumversum egresso scribe. meis listis conscribementa II tum maximum da. dum damentum nexto listis decapita…

I don't understand Latin at all but I picture a centurion dictating this to a scribe, chiseling into stone, soon to deposit it in a Flintstone-ian rockputer.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Post by gkfasdfasdf »

coldtea wrote: post #152

> Code is written entirely in Arabic, highlighting cultural biases of computer science and challenging the assumptions we make about programming. There are lots of "cultural biases in computer science" -- in UI, neural network training, encodings, terms of service, etc. Of all of them, this is the least helpful, and the least important. It's like doing math in local notation, or translating latin/greek terms doctors…

This language has the potential to attract native Arabic speakers to programming who may not otherwise take any interest. And who knows what insights or new paradigms they could bring. Lowering the barrier to entry to programming is a good thing.
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