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Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by vanderZwan »

hacknat wrote: post #60

Social Psychology has one of the worst reproducibility problems in all of academia. Claims like this make is easy to see why. Simple scientific inquiry into this claim leads me to the question, “Okay, but why? That women potentially harbor worse feelings of their ex partners on average than men is one of the most interesting but useless things I’ve heard. The confounding explanations for this type of research are min…

The worst part is that this doesn't stop people from concluding things that they can't, especially if they have an axe to grind.

I can easily imagine someone reading the headline and interpreting it as either proof of women being less reasonable, or proof of men being worse ex-partners, depending on which side of the sexist coin they land.

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Post by throw1234651234 »

dahart wrote: post #99
throw1234651234 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species" Don't try to rewrite grammar to fit trends. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender

The definition of gender that applies to people is “ the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex”. I don’t see the part you quoted, where is it?

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Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by avgDev »

aphextim wrote: post #38

Anecdotal, however I find that in my lifetime I was/am able to 'move on' and forget about things such as minor disagreements between partners where they (female partners) have tended to dwell on things longer than my male friends. Could have been the same if I had male partners I suppose, although that isn't my personal taste. Not just in relationships but even among co-workers I notice there is a lot more gossip bet…

My ex whom I dated for 5 years cheated on me towards the end of our relationship. It was hard initially, but now I don't have any negative feelings towards her. I accept that I wasn't perfect either. While, I don't want to make excuses for her, people do dumb things and make mistakes. I would never be with her again but I don't see a reason to still be upset about it.

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Post by harshreality »

Angostura wrote: post #45
throw1234651234 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species" Don't try to rewrite grammar to fit trends. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender

You appear to be confusing grammar and biology. Why shy away from the word 'sex' when discussing sex?

Honestly? Because sex is a borderline bad word in polite company, and can get you into trouble if someone misses context and thinks you're talking about sex sex, while gender isn't a problematic word. The United States is so damned puritan in its culture that it's risky to use words that have a normal context that's problematic.

[For instance, someone could overhear it out of context and think you're being inappropriate. That may not amount to anything in isolation, but then they might start selectively watching for problematic things you say or do based on their initial mistaken impression, and if you look for something hard enough you're likely to find it.]

Also, I've noticed even when I use the word sex in that context, I'm immediately on guard against making any kind of sexual reference or anything that might have double meaning, and that's just exhausting. I'd rather use gender and save myself the trouble.

GP quoted the wrong definition, but the right definition is there too, also from Merriam-Webster:

2a: SEX sense 1a the feminine gender

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by dahart »

rpmisms wrote: post #63
lightbyte wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gender identity is an emergent social construct, there isn't anything biological about it.

Besides the concepts of motherhood and fatherhood. Ignoring those glaring omissions, you're closer to having a point.

The parent is completely correct, why are you fighting it? This isn’t something you can out-logic, the words have definitions. Sex is the biological part and gender is the social & cultural aspects of sex.

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Post by lwhi »

npo9 wrote: post #98
lwhi wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. It seems to be to be a case of 'sounds like it might be right, lets see how far we can run with it'. Ultimately, I can only see a few benefits of this line of enquiry. E.g. "Honey, I'm sorry - but it's not really my fault, it's just my genetic make-up .." Ultimately, while we may be descended from lizards, rationalising behaviours based on our physiological origins might not be that useful. Especially when s…

It might be useful for providing therapy to understand the differences in how men and women see things.

Perhaps, but personally I think we all vary a great deal.

Any truly effective therapy needs to be based on the individual.

Generalisations can be lazy - and in a pragmatic sense, only really seem useful in very specific circumstances.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by k__ »

I'm living mit multiple partners and they are also dating multiple people.

Since they tell me about their dating experience, I got more insight of how other men behave to women, then when I lived monogamous.

What I wanted to say is, after what I heared from my partners about men they dated, I totally understand these results.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by dahart »

throw1234651234 wrote: post #102
dahart wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The definition of gender that applies to people is “ the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex”. I don’t see the part you quoted, where is it?

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Ah, I see, it’s a quote from the explanation of grammar, not one of the definitions. As the others mentioned, this is explaining grammar, gendered words, not people.

Re: Men View Their Ex-Partners More Favorably Than Women Do: Study

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Post by moate »

xky wrote: post #78
lwhi wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absurd to group half the population into one group, and then try to work out what makes that group as a whole tick.

Why?

From a sociological standpoint: Because you're doing bad social science. When you're talking about values/cultures, those things are inherently rooted in a culture. Saying "all men X" is almost entirely useless because there's almost always going to be a culture or subculture that makes it "most men" instead.

This specific article was based off a study conducted in Austria with mean ages of men/women involved in their 20s. IDK what this says about world cultures as a whole, or even the culture of Austria as a whole. I would assume that the possibility of people late stages of life might have different feelings on the matter exists and they don't mention it as a variable they accounted for. Never mind all the other variables that one could suggest might affect this matter that aren't specifically mentioned in the abstract. And, in fact, they mention that this paper they're presenting is the first to really delve into the subject of ex-partner feelings, so their results might be completely disproved as more people look into the matter.

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