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First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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Very expensive. AUD200K is over USD$136K

Cheaper than running it on petrol you have to haul in. Have to look at total operating costs, not just vehicle sticker.

I wonder how quickly it charges. Vehicles in mine sites are often in use around the clock, which is fine if you can quickly top them up with fuel, but if it takes a few hours to recharge them, you're going to need more vehicles.

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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Cheaper than running it on petrol you have to haul in. Have to look at total operating costs, not just vehicle sticker.

I wonder how quickly it charges. Vehicles in mine sites are often in use around the clock, which is fine if you can quickly top them up with fuel, but if it takes a few hours to recharge them, you're going to need more vehicles.

The bigger the battery, the faster it can charge to 80% or so. The last 20% is the slow charge, but if the vehicle is always plugged in when not moving, it’s not a concern.

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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Smaller than most pickup trucks though, more like station-wagon sized.

Traditionally yeah, although most utes are pick-up sized now. They're enormous bastards.

Here's Goose driving a traditional ute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_pc0BJ33cQ

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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I find it sadly ironic that the industry that's responsible for most emissions and actively influences political position in this country to put profit before the environment is the one that this zero emissions car is being targeted at. With that said, bravo on the implementation and using the 79 as a very solid platform. The sales pitch of the article doesn't sound very compelling though, so I wonder how much succes…

(1) Most of the mines in Australia aren't coal mines. Maybe there is a case that Asia could prosper as they do without coal (I doubt it, but maybe) - but there is no way they could have prospered like they have without vast amounts of iron ore and copper. The environment absolutely takes a back seat to that outrageous level of prosperity. And even then, Australian mines are pretty environmentally sensitive. Also, Aus…

You'll often see solar panels in mines too

I know that you're talking about surface mining, but this phrase made me giggle because I thought about the other kind first.

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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Here, let me translate to American ;D - Chevy El Camino or Ford Ranchero. "Two^ nations divided by a common language" - (someone famous) ^Four, really.

The Land Cruiser platform in the article is similar in size to the more contemporary Ford Explorer Sport Trac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Explorer_Sport_Trac It's also probably more comparable mechanically.

Do you guys get the Toyota Hilux[1] in the USA? That's a classic "ute".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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post #25

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The Land Cruiser platform in the article is similar in size to the more contemporary Ford Explorer Sport Trac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Explorer_Sport_Trac It's also probably more comparable mechanically.

Do you guys get the Toyota Hilux[1] in the USA? That's a classic "ute". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux

Yeh. That segment is usually referred to as something like "compact pickup truck".

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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For non-Australians, "ute" is the widely-used abbreviation for "utility vehicle".

    Judge Chamberlain Haller:  Uh... did you say "utes"?
               Vinny Gambini:  Yeah, two utes.
    Judge Chamberlain Haller:  What is a ute?
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu8tX2BAD1k )

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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post #8

I find it sadly ironic that the industry that's responsible for most emissions and actively influences political position in this country to put profit before the environment is the one that this zero emissions car is being targeted at. With that said, bravo on the implementation and using the 79 as a very solid platform. The sales pitch of the article doesn't sound very compelling though, so I wonder how much succes…

(1) Most of the mines in Australia aren't coal mines. Maybe there is a case that Asia could prosper as they do without coal (I doubt it, but maybe) - but there is no way they could have prospered like they have without vast amounts of iron ore and copper. The environment absolutely takes a back seat to that outrageous level of prosperity. And even then, Australian mines are pretty environmentally sensitive. Also, Aus…

Even when not directly responsible for emissions, the Australian mining sector has been notoriously and effectively climate denialist. As an industry, miners actively and successfully lobbied against the “carbon tax” implemented by the Gillard Labor government [0]. In fact, the then CEO of my former employer (Western Mining Corp, 90’s) Hugh Morgan, was then and still is an absolutely single-minded climate change denialist, despite WMC being primarily a nickel and uranium miner (at the time).

But what’s even more ironic is the fact that in the election earlier this year, eventual PM Scott Morrison was lambasting the Labor leader Bill Shorten for his proposed policy of a ICE vehicle phaseout, saying that Bill wanted to take away people’s utes and “end the weekend” [1].

[0] https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/miners-dig-deep-to-...

[1] https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/utes-electric-cars...

Re: First electric ute engineered in Australia for use in mining and agribusiness

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I find it sadly ironic that the industry that's responsible for most emissions and actively influences political position in this country to put profit before the environment is the one that this zero emissions car is being targeted at. With that said, bravo on the implementation and using the 79 as a very solid platform. The sales pitch of the article doesn't sound very compelling though, so I wonder how much succes…

Also ironically, the mining sector is also the driving factor behind a lot of renewable energy innovation projects in Australia. Since mining usually takes place in the middle of nowhere, utilising the sun/wind for energy makes things easier than having to transport fossil fuels long distances. https://arena.gov.au/projects/agnew-renewable-energy-microgr...

They are also leaders in utilising vehicle automation with many mines operating self-driving dump trucks with minimal remote supervision.
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