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It is almost impossible to imagine that the writings of any long-lived society would not have ample quantities of "timeless wisdom". In fact it would be striking and unusual if it were otherwise. Much wisdom can be difficult to stumble upon but is self-evident once known. Long-lived societies are sure to import all such wisdom from around them, then discover more for themselves over time.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure one can find "lots of timeless wisdom" in the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Norse Prose Edda and Poetic Edda, the Necronomicon, etc., etc.
Earliest known draft of the King James Bible discovered
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Re: Earliest known draft of the King James Bible discovered
#122Interesting comment that there is evidence for the translators working independently. A curious fact is that in 1610 Shakespeare was 46, and in Psalm 46 you will find 46th word from the beginning put together with the 46th word from the end is Shake spear. (Start counting at line 1 excluding the directions and Selah)
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Any translation has a profound impact on the way the bible is perceived, so perhaps it is worthwhile to look directly at the source. Take this famous opener in the KJV bible for example: John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Well just what does it mean by Word? Turns out this is Koine Greek λόγος, logos. Logos not only means word, but it importantly also means reas…
Won't do it justice, but there was a sermon I thought was pretty interesting a couple years ago relating to the passage where Jesus asks Peter if he loves him. Basically Jesus asks Peter three times whether Peter loves him. And three times Peter says "You know I love you". Seems like a pretty uneventful passage in English. Our pastor elaborated a bit and explained that in the original (greek / aramaic, don't remember…
Re: Earliest known draft of the King James Bible discovered
#124Interesting comment that there is evidence for the translators working independently. A curious fact is that in 1610 Shakespeare was 46, and in Psalm 46 you will find 46th word from the beginning put together with the 46th word from the end is Shake spear. (Start counting at line 1 excluding the directions and Selah)
that's cool but 1610 doesn't link up to the other numerology, so the first statement is equivalent to "shakespeare was 46 at one point"
I would imagine this meant the translation occurred sometime around then.
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I ask for the same level of self-restrain from you when using adjetives about the quality of the bible and similar kind of opinions. Note that the person you're replying to did not say that the bible was ALL timeless wisdom, or really say much at all about the overall quality of the bible. There's no contradiction between the bible containing lots of timeless wisdom AND containing lots of utter nonsense and complete…
Yeah, New Testament is a fair bit nicer.
Then again, that is probably how it was and when I read the old viking stories they are equally - if not more violent.
I have also enjoyed reading both the Viking age Håvamål as well as the ancient Proverbs (as well as a number of other sources).
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#126This may be off-topic but is there any consensus on what is the most accurate translation of the bible into English?
It sounds on-topic enough. After years of being a Christian and reading and studying a number of Bibles and studying a bit of Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek (in order to read the source material, even if it's just to study simple words or phrases) I've got a few translations that are noteworthy.
The most noteworthy for me is the Cepher Bible[0]. This one is pricey, but it covers everything I've seen and liked from the other Bible translations I will list. It restores the Aleph Tav throughout the Old Testament, which is all over the Bible and ommitted in basically all mainstream Bible translations. The significance of the Aleph Tav can be understood when you read the New Testament where Jesus in Revelation says "I am the Alpha and Omega" well this translation in Greek makes no sense, but if you take it to be "Aleph and Tav" and that He indeed said this to Hebrew Israelites, he is literally saying that He is the scriptures of the Old Testament, which flows with other claims such that He fulfilled the Old Testament. It's worth investigating. There's other things such as the mathematical error in Matthew being fixed up, which is a result of a mistranslation from Aramaic to Greek (check out Shem Tovs Matthew, considered to be the Original version of Matthew which was written in Hebrew not Greek!). There's other things like pointing out (and if you study that the New Testament was really written in Aramaic and then translated to Greek, not a popular thing, but if you do, you'll hear of some of these changes) that the whole phrase about a rich man getting to heaven is like a camel going through the eye of a needle was actually written in Aramaic to say it is like a ROPE going through the eye of a needle! Meaning they have to take apart all the different threads surrounding their soul, so they can fit through, or become humble, after all, you wont take your gold nor jewelry with you when you die.
Then there's The Scriptures by ISR[1]. This one attempts to restore the names of God by showing them in Hebrew form, and the name of Jesus (Yeshua) in Hebrew as well. It also restores some of the names of different characters throughout the Bible similar to what the Cepher does.
There's the HallelYah Scriptures[2] which seems to be really closely related to The Scriptures by ISR. This one's a little more extreme about restoring some names, and even more words, they also do not put any words in red like a number of Bibles because they found it 'too religious'.
There's also the Aleph Tav Scriptures[3], which last I checked was only the Old Testament, but I believe the author's worked on the New Testament as well. I've written about the Aleph Tav in the former paragraph about the Cepher, if you really want to understand the Aleph Tav, this Bible is going to take you deep enough.
Then for just plain regular reasing the CSB (formerly HCSB) is my personal choice. It's something you can read to people in a Bible Study who aren't interested in the depth of the scriptures. I wont link to this one since it's mainstream but one thing I do appreciate from them is the fact that usually in the front of their Bibles they will have a chart explaining where "Lord", "Lord God" and "God" come from in regards to Hebrew. There's too many Bibles that don't clear this up and it becomes confusing to follow the text, they also point out some other things.
[1]: https://isr-messianic.org/publications/the-scriptures.html
[2]: https://www.halleluyahscriptures.com/
[3]: https://alephtavscriptures.com/
One final note: You can also get the app for the Cepher, they have a free version without some books that are not even in Catholic bibles.
I leave one final note for anybody wanting more from the Bible as a fellow Christian / from a Christian perspective: scripture is revealed more than anything by God. So pray before you read. Some of my best readings have resulted from prayer.
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Not only is there to such consensus, but there is an important (important beyond religious issues) lack of consensus of what is the most accurate text to be translated. Modern societies weren't the first to find absurdities and contradictions in holy texts. Early scholars decided to search for the "actual" underlying meaning. For if the gods are infallible, and failures in the text must be human failures trying to tr…
>Which makes some sense; until at least Pope Urban, the Catholic Church was happy to perform both mixed sex and same sex marriages That's not what your [3] says. >Nevertheless, Historian John Boswell argued that Adelphopoiesis, or brother-making, represented an early form of religious same-sex marriage in the Orthodox church. >Alan Bray saw the rite of Ordo ad fratres faciendum ("Order for the making of brothers") as…
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People misunderstand that old saying, 'Religion is the opium of the masses'. They think it means religion is meant to pacify and control. And maybe that's what Marx intended it to mean, I don't know. But it has a truer and infinitely more subversive meaning. The words of Jesus will get you high as a kite, if you study them and meditate upon them. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send pe…
The reason there's confusion about that quote is it's always without context. "Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people" It's not so much that religion is meant to pacify, but that it does. It…
"The kingdom of heaven is near."
Re: Earliest known draft of the King James Bible discovered
#129This may be off-topic but is there any consensus on what is the most accurate translation of the bible into English?
Fair warning: Brace yourself. It sounds on-topic enough. After years of being a Christian and reading and studying a number of Bibles and studying a bit of Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek (in order to read the source material, even if it's just to study simple words or phrases) I've got a few translations that are noteworthy. The most noteworthy for me is the Cepher Bible[0]. This one is pricey, but it covers everyth…
It makes perfect sense; alpha and omega were the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet at the time. It's equivalent to the modern English phrase "A to Z".
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so, uh, I thought the kjv was... not recognized as valid by the catholic church? Like, the KJV was authorized by the church of England, a, uh, rather different body from the Vatican. I thought a lot of what made the KJV important was that it was early in that split. I mean, i suppose that the Vatican would probably still have a pretty interesting opinion on it.
Another commenter elsewhere in this thread just mentioned the Preface to the KJV, which includes some specific criticism of the Catholic Church (referred to as "our chief adversaries") for (at the time) disapproving of vernacular language editions of the Bible. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Preface#%C... .