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The person posting Podesta emails in this thread believes in Pizzagate.

That can't be. Nobody still believes in Pizzagate. That building didn't even have a basement. Clearly they're part of a conspiracy to make us believe, against all possible odds, that anyone still believes in Pizzagate.

Yes they must feel like fools, believing that multiple national politicians would associate with an organized pedophilia ring, for instance even flying on a private plane that had been nicknamed "The Lolita Express".

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That can't be. Nobody still believes in Pizzagate. That building didn't even have a basement. Clearly they're part of a conspiracy to make us believe, against all possible odds, that anyone still believes in Pizzagate.

Yes they must feel like fools, believing that multiple national politicians would associate with an organized pedophilia ring, for instance even flying on a private plane that had been nicknamed "The Lolita Express".

I mean, they should probably feel like fools believing there was child sex trafficking going on in the basement of a building that has no basement, even if some other conspiracies turn out to be real. It's a textbook case of mob mentality that so many people believed the lies and nobody did even basic legwork.

(And let's note: it's not like 4chan broke open Epstein's crimes. Old fashioned FBI legwork did. And the guy had a history of sex trafficking already, which nobody in Pizzagate did. As fun as it is to pretend to be an armchair sleuth, it sure isn't a pass-time that's got a good batting average over professional investigation).

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Drake got burned because in addition to following the procedure he leaked information to the press which is not part of the procedure.

After he got burned, the press found out. Why does your story keep changing?

That doesn't match the Wikipedia summary. Press leak, then the Bush administration hunted for the source of the leak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailblazer_Project#Whistleblo...

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If you're trans and going through puberty, "a few years" can literally ruin your life.

Or you can transition once you've reached an age where your body is not in a constant state of flux. When I was young, I intensely wanted to be female. As I got older, it turned out to be a result of curiosity. If I was young today, I'd be far more likely to be going through some hormone regimen because of a childish curiosity.

That "constant state of flux" is what makes your body into a prison that you have to inhabit the rest of your life. Every single trans person I've met desperately wishes that they had transitioned earlier. I transitioned relatively early, and I'm still intensely jealous of trans teens who are getting proper treatment today. My older friends who've transitioned in their late 20s-40s regard their lives as being hopelessly ruined. And some of them repressed their trans feeling for a while, only to have them come back later with vengeance. But you never hear about those people in these arguments.

My mom said something similar about "curiosity" to try and convince me that I couldn't be trans. As it turns out, what she meant was "when I was your age, I wanted to cut my hair short." Likewise, pretty much every story I've heard like this turns out to be either obvious lies meant to discredit trans people, or something that would have been easily sorted out by a psychologist. Eg. I've heard of gay people wishing they were another gender so that they wouldn't get bullied for their orientation. No decent professional would mistake that for genuine dysphoria.

But even supposing that your psychologist was incompetent, you still would have socially transitioned in some capacity before you ever started hormones. This almost certainly would have let you know if transitioning was really right for you. And even if it didn't, and you went all the way to starting estrogen, you could always stop if you didn't like what it was doing. Estrogen works very slowly. I've been on it for three years, and I know cis men whose boobs are bigger than mine. If I changed my mind, I could easily start living as a man again.

It's absolutely unfair to impose life-ruining misery on trans teens because of the off-chance that it might do a fraction of the same harm to a cis person.

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Yes they must feel like fools, believing that multiple national politicians would associate with an organized pedophilia ring, for instance even flying on a private plane that had been nicknamed "The Lolita Express".

I mean, they should probably feel like fools believing there was child sex trafficking going on in the basement of a building that has no basement, even if some other conspiracies turn out to be real. It's a textbook case of mob mentality that so many people believed the lies and nobody did even basic legwork. (And let's note: it's not like 4chan broke open Epstein's crimes. Old fashioned FBI legwork did. And the guy…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17175011

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If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower, he should have only leaked the specific things that he took issue with, not grab anything he could get his hands on and give it out. For example, there's no good reason for him to give documents to China that tell them which Chinese computers NSA has access to [0]. This myth that he responsibly leaked information needs to die. [0] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-ko…

>If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower... did you just no true scotsman whistleblowing?

As if "being treated as a whistle blower" in a positive sense is even a thing.

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Snowden: But I didn't come forward to be safe. If I wanted to be safe, I'd still be sitting in Hawaii, making a hell of a lot money, to spy on you.

Does the NSA actually pay well?

At around 52:45 he mentioned top secret security clearance will get you paid ridiculous amounts of money.

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> His defense is the greater good. That should prevent prosecution. Do you mean prevent conviction or are you taking the stance claiming "the greater good" means you shouldn't be tried?

I meant if he were tried, he should be found not guilty. Separately, because what he did is prima facie for the greater good, he should not be tried.

A jury or pardon could conceivably provide the first, but the latter would require a movement away from the rule of law. Outside of a jury or prosecutor, who has claim to make the call that what he did was for the greater good?

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I mean, they should probably feel like fools believing there was child sex trafficking going on in the basement of a building that has no basement, even if some other conspiracies turn out to be real. It's a textbook case of mob mentality that so many people believed the lies and nobody did even basic legwork. (And let's note: it's not like 4chan broke open Epstein's crimes. Old fashioned FBI legwork did. And the guy…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17175011

And some are so sure of their worldview that they believe in a wholly-manufactured conspiracy theory long after the reasonable evidence has discredited it, including physical evidence like the fact a building has no basement. It's a big world with a wide variety of people.

Not jakeogh though. like I said, he's part of a conspiracy to make us believe people still believe Pizzagate. The purpose of which is to undermine confidence in average human reasoning skills, which undermines faith in democracy. This is important for the next step of the Triluminati's plan.

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