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Women Under the Spell

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Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by t-h-e-chief »

yorwba wrote: post #3
derp_dee_derp wrote: post #2

I LOVE articles like this because they prop up all the worst aspects of an ideology and try to present them as their best aspects. Have they no self awareness? According to this article: * Feminists worship the devil * God himself is patriarchial and therefore feminism is counter to God's will * Science is witchcraft * Intellectual enlightenment and freedom of thought come from Lucifer, and are therefore sin Have the…

I don't think this article is trying to take the worst aspects of feminism and portray them as the best ones. It's certainly not trying to advance feminist ideals amongst Christians. The article simply recounts a period in history when feminists defined themselves not only in opposition to patriarchy, but also to Christianity. That association itself is not terribly novel, as Satanism is the obvious choice for rebels…

Well to be honest the book is a historical examination of how some amazing women rejected the modern Christian patriarchy (and good on them for doing so). But the website hosting it is definitely intending it to be taken as 'women are the root of all evil'. Just look at some of the other articles posted on the site, like the one saying that Australia Aboriginal History is made up, or that George Pell (one of Australia's worst pedophiles) did nothing wrong.

People should be more careful of where they source their links from. For example the Amazon link is actually non-biased. https://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Feminism-Liberator-Nineteenth...

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by throwaway66920 »

Lots of arguments about whether this is purely historical or disguised opinion. The last paragraph suggests the author’s intention is to discredit feminists imo. Note the use of “God the Father”, “bravely” and “demonstrates” (the lattermost implying that something is factually true and being proven therein). Sure, maybe this was a part of early feminism. But also, buzz off dude. Don’t need this here at least.

> Dr Faxneld provides a most compelling account of how Satanism played a crucial part in early feminism—primarily between 1880 and 1930—as something employed to vilify and denigrate Christianity, and transform God the Father into an oppressive creator and the ultimate enemy of women’s liberation. This book makes for fascinating reading as Faxneld bravely endeavours to demonstrate the centrality of Satanism in influential feminist narrative during the period in a way nobody before him has ever dared to do. His most enlightening book makes a significant contribution to scholarship.

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by t-h-e-chief »

derp_dee_derp wrote: post #2

I LOVE articles like this because they prop up all the worst aspects of an ideology and try to present them as their best aspects. Have they no self awareness? According to this article: * Feminists worship the devil * God himself is patriarchial and therefore feminism is counter to God's will * Science is witchcraft * Intellectual enlightenment and freedom of thought come from Lucifer, and are therefore sin Have the…

I think in your christian rage, you've missed the point of the book. And swallowed instead, the hook, line and sinker that the site set out for you.

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by strken »

elliekelly wrote: post #5

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quadrant-magazine/

Quadrant is biased in the same way that Jacobin is biased.

It should extremely obvious to everyone who reads it that it takes liberties when picking and choosing sources, that most of the authors have an axe to grind, and that it's exactly the kind of rag that would publish climate change denial just to be contrarian. It also has a reasonably high standard of writing, cites sources, and digs up some fascinating things in its attempts to wage war on the left. It's an interesting propaganda machine, which elevates it above boring propaganda machines like Breitbart or the Daily Kos.

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by gatherhunterer »

throwaway66920 wrote: post #12

Lots of arguments about whether this is purely historical or disguised opinion. The last paragraph suggests the author’s intention is to discredit feminists imo. Note the use of “God the Father”, “bravely” and “demonstrates” (the lattermost implying that something is factually true and being proven therein). Sure, maybe this was a part of early feminism. But also, buzz off dude. Don’t need this here at least. > Dr Fa…

The author went on a Christian radio station[1] to talk about White Christians being oppressed by allowing same-sex marriage in Australia. I thought the article reeked of preachy double-speak from the first sentence so this was hardly surprising.

1. https://vision.org.au/radio/2018/03/07/australians-why-aband...

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by xupybd »

throwaway66920 wrote: post #12

Lots of arguments about whether this is purely historical or disguised opinion. The last paragraph suggests the author’s intention is to discredit feminists imo. Note the use of “God the Father”, “bravely” and “demonstrates” (the lattermost implying that something is factually true and being proven therein). Sure, maybe this was a part of early feminism. But also, buzz off dude. Don’t need this here at least. > Dr Fa…

Isn't the "God the Father" used to show the maleness of the Chrisitan God?

While I think you're correct the authors opinions do appear to shine through in that last paragraph, it seems that efforts have been made to show this history without framing.

Does the article make the case that an alignment with Satanism is a bad thing? Many modern western values align closely with Satanism. Satanism in its modern form was a deliberate effort by some to oppose Christianaities stronghold on the western world at the time.

Is the opposition to Christianity a problem for modern Feminism? Even an historical opposition?

To me this article simply reads as early feminists rebelled against a society they felt was oppressive to them by adopting what they saw as their enemies enemy as a mascot. I don't think that is particularly disparaging of feminism is it?

Full disclosure, I’m a fundamentalist Christian.

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by klyrs »

ajross wrote: post #7
derp_dee_derp wrote: post #2

I LOVE articles like this because they prop up all the worst aspects of an ideology and try to present them as their best aspects. Have they no self awareness? According to this article: * Feminists worship the devil * God himself is patriarchial and therefore feminism is counter to God's will * Science is witchcraft * Intellectual enlightenment and freedom of thought come from Lucifer, and are therefore sin Have the…

> Do authors of articles like this actually think that aligning themselves with Christianity's representation of evil incarnate helps their cause? It's a history piece, about feminist movements of late 19th century. What "cause" do you think it's trying to "align" with, exactly?

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Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by briandear »

briandear wrote: post #9
elliekelly wrote: post #5

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quadrant-magazine/

Should we post “left bias” from The NY Times, Washington Post, Citylab, et al? This is exactly what’s wrong with society, especially among the so-called smart people. What’s wrong with a right bias? Doesn’t that enlighten the conversation? Is it possible that there a lot of good ideas from another side of the spectrum of ideas? Why do we call out “right bias?” Why not just let people think for themselves. Apparently…

And the downvotes prove the point.

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by gatherhunterer »

strken wrote: post #14
elliekelly wrote: post #5

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quadrant-magazine/

Quadrant is biased in the same way that Jacobin is biased. It should extremely obvious to everyone who reads it that it takes liberties when picking and choosing sources, that most of the authors have an axe to grind, and that it's exactly the kind of rag that would publish climate change denial just to be contrarian. It also has a reasonably high standard of writing, cites sources, and digs up some fascinating thing…

> digs up some fascinating things in its attempts to wage war on the left

Oof. You've missed the point. They don't want anything except clicks and your reasons for giving them what they want don't matter to them. You're just another sucker who clicks around in the void of misinformation and bias.

Re: Women Under the Spell

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Post by gatherhunterer »

xupybd wrote: post #16
throwaway66920 wrote: post #12

Lots of arguments about whether this is purely historical or disguised opinion. The last paragraph suggests the author’s intention is to discredit feminists imo. Note the use of “God the Father”, “bravely” and “demonstrates” (the lattermost implying that something is factually true and being proven therein). Sure, maybe this was a part of early feminism. But also, buzz off dude. Don’t need this here at least. > Dr Fa…

Isn't the "God the Father" used to show the maleness of the Chrisitan God? While I think you're correct the authors opinions do appear to shine through in that last paragraph, it seems that efforts have been made to show this history without framing. Does the article make the case that an alignment with Satanism is a bad thing? Many modern western values align closely with Satanism. Satanism in its modern form was a…

> Full disclosure, I’m a fundamentalist Christian.

So is the author. You can't recognize a bias that you share. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

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