Does anyone know whether or not the language of the king James bible was typical of early 17th century English?
I heard that the translators use archaic expressions no longer commonly used in 1604 for stylistic reasons.
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It's too fragmented for that to really be a first class concern. "Christian" is a broad class that encompasses LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterian, Baptist, Catholic, etc. We have no shortage of controversy and conflict to debate about. On this particular topic, I'd be more interested in the Italian opinion.
Why Italian?
Because they have the most influence on things "Christian" and the best historical material.
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#53Do religious groups in the US, specifically, Christians, talk about the history of the King James Bible? Why is it, uh, trusted by so many, when stuff like this hints at a storied construction?
It's too fragmented for that to really be a first class concern. "Christian" is a broad class that encompasses LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterian, Baptist, Catholic, etc. We have no shortage of controversy and conflict to debate about. On this particular topic, I'd be more interested in the Italian opinion.
I can tell by your your response that you are not a Christian.
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#54Do religious groups in the US, specifically, Christians, talk about the history of the King James Bible? Why is it, uh, trusted by so many, when stuff like this hints at a storied construction?
I grew up in a religious family and community and I asked the same question! There was a debate among people about which version to use and anything but the King James version was wrong. Why? Because of Revelation 22:18,19 18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19. A…
I believe that taking the warning to mean the entire modern collection called the Holy Bible, and not strictly the book of Revelation, is up to you. It does say 'book of prophecy' which clearly narrows it down, but it's all you.
I believe that teaching this interpretation to others (that it means our entire Bible, which didn't yet exist in one book when that was written) also constitutes adding to or removing from the things in Revelation, violating the same warning.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's too fragmented for that to really be a first class concern. "Christian" is a broad class that encompasses LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterian, Baptist, Catholic, etc. We have no shortage of controversy and conflict to debate about. On this particular topic, I'd be more interested in the Italian opinion.
I can tell by your your response that you are not a Christian.
Roman Catholic raised, agnostic. Irish descent and dissolutioned might be more interested in the historical source than the destination.
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#56This may be off-topic but is there any consensus on what is the most accurate translation of the bible into English?
Any translation has a profound impact on the way the bible is perceived, so perhaps it is worthwhile to look directly at the source.
Take this famous opener in the KJV bible for example:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Well just what does it mean by Word? Turns out this is Koine Greek λόγος, logos.
Logos not only means word, but it importantly also means reasoning, order, and logic. Logos has multiple senses that don't translate well into a single, word. This was a big revelation for me.
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#57Do religious groups in the US, specifically, Christians, talk about the history of the King James Bible? Why is it, uh, trusted by so many, when stuff like this hints at a storied construction?
What was taught at a USA top-10 University class on the first day was.. Christian teaching can be grouped into two groups.. one interprets the Bible as historical, allegory, divine guidance and ethical wisdom but not literally true, and the second is.. the Bible is literally the Truth of God, end of sentence. The former groups tend to be the better educated, more literate and more capable of critical thinking in a constructive way. Many of the second group do not actually spend that much time reading, or read in groups just in bits.. and the faith and work focus in other areas. The teacher was a Lutheran or Methodist perhaps.. It was a mixed class of students of many origins, and the teacher was pleasant and handled things well.
The origins of prominence of this edition are certainly political, from an English-speaking origin world. Alliance with this edition has something to do with political alliances between sects it seems like, over time.. people fight a lot over just about everything, including this..
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The Vatican probably?
so, uh, I thought the kjv was... not recognized as valid by the catholic church? Like, the KJV was authorized by the church of England, a, uh, rather different body from the Vatican. I thought a lot of what made the KJV important was that it was early in that split. I mean, i suppose that the Vatican would probably still have a pretty interesting opinion on it.
It's not that that the KJV is not "valid". It's that it's not recommended over the Catholic version.
The Catholic version contains the "deuterocanonical" books of the Old Testament.
https://bustedhalo.com/ministry-resources/why-doesnt-the-cat...
PS. [mentioned in the article] Apparently the original KJV did include the deuterocanonical books, but they were not considered canon. The Puritans and non-English protestants were the first to omit them entirely.
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I can tell by your your response that you are not a Christian.
Roman Catholic raised, agnostic. Irish descent and dissolutioned might be more interested in the historical source than the destination.
Similar. Fascinating to me was that some Catholics consider the "Roman" a bit of slur. But to me it was a common, unremarkable description.
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What was the verse?
Not OP but Psalm 37:8b[0] is my go to verse for this. I grew up reading, hearing, & memorizing out of the KJV and kind of prided myself in being able to understand that style of English. Even knowing various words & phrases have changed,I still have no idea what they verse would have meant to the original readers. I can look at a modern translation & see what it "should" say,but wow, I just can't get there from the K…
I saw a humorous YouTuber (from the US South?) that made comedy from quoting phrases constantly, but in socially ironic moments.. like people doing somewhat embarrassing things at the mall.. things like that.. it was irreverent overall, but for someone who does not know that many verses, to hear so many, but funny .. it was entertaining..