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Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by wayneftw » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

dwild wrote: post #100

wayneftw wrote: post #82

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Nobody in my contacts has given me non-public contact info such as secret phone numbers, email addresses or other such info. I don't manage other peoples accounts from my phone. My passwords are stored in an encrypted file, accessible only by entering my pin. My email app has a pin lock. I don't use the browser to login to any important sites like banking sites. If you get my phone, the most you can do is order somet…

You can also most probably install an application that will be able to catch both your pins and subsequently, much more data. Considering that both your password and email are protected by pins, why not have a pin on the device too?

Looking at email or passwords is rare. Reading some quick news, opening maps, listening to music and so forth - I don't want to use a pin to access all of those things.

Someone installing an app to catch pins that I typed in and then giving me back my phone...then waiting until I typed a pin and stealing my phone again seems like a bit of a hassle. Out of curiosity though - what app in the app store allows you to do this? Or, do they have to jail break my phone to do it?

I'm not really trying to argue that my way is better. I'm just giving my personal point of view. It works for me. I just don't worry about things and shit seems to work out. I leave my house unlocked all the time. Same with my car. I leave the keys in the car when I go into stores.

It's just stuff. Perhaps if someone stole everything from me, I'd be even more free than I am now.

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by wayneftw » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

wycy wrote: post #56

wayneftw wrote: post #25

I don't lock my phone at all. Never have. However, with the new iPhones that don't have a home button, I believe that Apple is forcing you to either use face unlock or a passcode. There is no choice to just leave it unlocked. So, as soon as my iPhone 6s stops working, I will have to choose to: 1) Give in and use my face to unlock. 2) Use a dumb passcode like 000000. 3) Upgrade to the newest iPhone that still has a ho…

Why do you not want to use your face? And I don't think the lack of a home button changes whether or not you have to use a passcode. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the new iPhones can't be passcodeless (though I don't want to clear my FaceID data to test this). Just swipe up to unlock.

Thanks for this! I'll go to the Apple store and test it.

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by piotrkubisa » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

smashface wrote: post #98

ydnaclementine wrote: post #22

I always thought that Android's 3x3 dot pattern draw password thing was superior against these type of over the shoulder attack, as long as you turn off the tracing effect. Without tracing and if you do it quickly, it just looks like you’re dragging your thumb randomly all over the phone.

I prefer to use the draw password but honestly if you look at the finger smudges on my phone, you could probably still guess my pattern.

I liked BlackBerry10 picture passwords [0][1]. Unlocking was a bit slower than drawing few lines but good enough to unlock device fast - I'd say even if you were weakened by some disease/illness/exhausting workout moving slowly a number to target is easier than drawing few crossed lines.

[0]: https://helpblog.blackberry.com/2014/02/how-to-use-picture-p...

[1]: https://youtu.be/WmBhvn9Q9SE?t=151

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by Jill_the_Pill » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:30 PM UTC

_jal wrote: post #47

abstractbeliefs wrote: post #32

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Why is it that you choose not to? I think it would be helpful to understand your use case and how you balance your personal tolerance for risk and consequences so we can better consider users like yourself.

(Not the OP.) I have an older phone that is basically a home remote for various things. There is no reason for it to lock, it would be annoying.

Also not the OP, also have an older phone.

I am of an older tech generation who sees this type of security as antithetical to anonymity.

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:31 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #78

And yesterday over a dozen members of Congress barged into one of the Congressional versions of this site without authorization and while recording video, audio, and taking photos on their personal smartphones. Here is a Twitter thread about why that is such a problem: https://twitter.com/MiekeEoyang/status/1187032800572125191

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Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:32 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #120

netsharc wrote: post #75

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The boindfolds seem like extra work, I would just get a SUV and totally black out the rear, or well, put in some seats in the rear of a delivery van. But I guess the boindfolds also had a psychological effect of "we mean business".

Yeah that could be true. I did a poor / vague job of describing that the blindfold was used inside buildings too. Folks walked with their hand on the shoulder of a guard in front of them from time to time.

Makes sense. That presumably means people don't have to turn their monitors off and shuffle everything off their desks every time an uncleared person has to move through.

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by duxup » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

Simon_says wrote: post #124

cheschire wrote: post #50

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I'm hoping they've implemented some form of localized EMP that you have to pass through now to leave, because large storage is so incredibly small now that it would be impossible to discern it from articles of clothing. The "hard" part is really just getting the data off the computer in the first place, which is probably why they don't allow bringing in technology anymore. I wonder how much of a micro computer could…

What if you stick the flash drive up really far up your bum? Wouldn't the saltwater in your body form a Faraday cage around it?

Trips to the bathroom involved no privacy at all.

So you'd have to pull some sort of slight of hand to manage that.

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

wayneftw wrote: post #86

psychometry wrote: post #49

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How do all the people you communicate with via email, text, etc., feel about their contact information and messages with you being so easily accessible? Securing your devices isn't just about you...

They're absolutely fine with it. Contact information isn't secret.

> contact information and messages

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by duxup » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #156

duxup wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that could be true. I did a poor / vague job of describing that the blindfold was used inside buildings too. Folks walked with their hand on the shoulder of a guard in front of them from time to time.

Makes sense. That presumably means people don't have to turn their monitors off and shuffle everything off their desks every time an uncleared person has to move through.

IMO It's also probabbly something security can manage and adjust easily.

Like new a policy, fine leave the blindfold on longer.

Broken blindfold, just grab another.

But say truck with a broken blackout window ... can't go onsite.

Re: Congressman's phone password is 111111

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Post by Jill_the_Pill » Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

Maximus9000 wrote: post #106

diafygi wrote: post #43

I wonder what AI tech is being developed around detecting pin code entry on phones using passive CCTV networks. If you process the feeds for public transit security cameras, I wouldn't be surprised if you can read the pin codes for a huge swath of the population. It would also reduce the need for law enforcement to try to get a suspect to tell them their passcode. Just look up that time they rode the subway 3 weeks a…

I often notice this at gas pumps. There are always cameras at gas pumps. If you pay at the pump, then you enter your pin. I shield mine very carefully, but I watch other people and they just punch in their pin without shielding. It's weird because people often shield their pin at a checkout counter because the clerk is right there (sort of) watching. Maybe these people feel at gas pumps, no one is watching... but the…

But it's not enough to know someone's code. So what if you do? Unless you can get the physical card without the owner knowing, what good would it do you?