VW's electrification efforts are primarily not about competing with Tesla in the US, but about not losing its 24% market share in Europe, where it has multiple non-premium brands, such as Seat and Škoda.
A lot of their electrification efforts are penance for dieselgate.
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a 2015 e-up, it's very fun to drive and it has 210 nm of torque. My Toyota Avensis had 150 (at peak RPM). It's like driving a go-cart in the city and it charges 75% capacity in about 15 minutes on fast chargers (enough for about 100 km more). Personally I find it looks quite cool after I did a custom paint job. You can even get it in Honey Yellow [1] from the shop, but personally I think it's a bit gaudy.. My…
Oh, I don't mean to say that the Up isn't a good car, I know they are pretty practical and fun to drive for something that small(although according to Which? magazine it's consistently at the bottom of reliability charts, so take that as you will), just that the front of the Up glued onto a golf-size car doesn't look that good.
But beauty is as always in the eye of the beerholder. I don't really fancy how the back of the e-up looks either, but I didn't mind the ID3 all that much.
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#183how reliable are these projections? Replace VW with TSLA and the Tesla naysayers / TSLAQ will claim the company is doomed...
VW is much larger than Tesla, has more money and already way over 100+ facilities around the globe. Tesla has 3
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#184how reliable are these projections? Replace VW with TSLA and the Tesla naysayers / TSLAQ will claim the company is doomed...
You're curious whether or not it's realistic for an 82-year-old automotive company with 122 worldwide production plants who produced 11.1M cars last year compared to Tesla's 254k can have just 8 facilities producing electric cars in ~2 years from now? That seems like a fairly reasonable goal to me.
Will they have enough demand?
There's nothing like a Supercharger network to make people buy so many non TSLA electrics. So, how will VW have so much demand to create so much capacity?
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#185Infiniti goes all electric starting 2021-2022. I bet pretty much all of these car manufacturers are doing more or less the same shift.
That's a surprisingly misleading phrase. Maybe "Infinity's first full electric starts in 2021-2022".
> Infiniti, the luxury brand of Japanese automaker Nissan, will start phasing out gas-powered vehicles in 2021 and switch to “all electrified” models, the maker’s new CEO Hiroto Saikawa said Tuesday afternoon.
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#186The article seems biased and politically charged (US vs EU car manufacturing).
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#187WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…
As others here have mentioned, this is obviously subjective. I could be wrong but I think beyond that it's also highly regional/cultural. Teslas look awful to me; they remind me of so many other examples of recent bland US car design: particularly Ford, and with a few hints of the sort of 90s-mazda-esque Corvettes of the past 10-15 years. All very popular aesthetically but to me seem a bit lacking in anything unusual…
I don’t know whether the Model 3 or the ID3 has it, but this “design is subjective” meme is wrong and I think a little bit disrespectful to design as a profession, where people spend decades learning how to build things that are—objectively—appealing and functional.
Of course individual reactions and needs vary. But that doesn’t mean the design space is a totally relativistic fog.
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#188This is an interesting video that talks about the issues facing the German car industry with the move to EV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXjVxaKzv4 One of the things they talk about that I find interesting is how different EVs are from ICE cars. I think we all assume that the companies that have gotten good at making cars, should be able to adapt to EVs, but it's a fundamentally different problem space. EVs and…
Typewriters and word processors.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep and that is why used gas car prices are going to be in a free fall very soon.
Used car prices are practically always in freefall. You can expect a car to depreciate by over 60% in a decade, even more if it's driven often. I don't expect this to radically change. As demand for gassers lowers, so will the rate of new gassers being purchased, and equilibrium will be kept. As for the really old gas cars on the road- those will maintain their value because we are a long way away from electric cars…
In California you can lease a Leaf for $95 / month after subsidies. That actually is pretty competitive with a sub $5000 price point on a competing ICE car that would require the purchase of gasoline.
Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback
#190WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…