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BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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i’m not sure why. if someone is already using the tor network, presumably they could use it to bypass censorship to access the clearnet bbc site.

if i recall right you shouldn't access clearnet sites from tor if you want privacy. Might be wrong - last time i used tor was ages ago.

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

#15
post #8

Not a fan of the clickbait title... Seems a bit unfair to equate wanting to protect privacy with the dark web where people associate it with drugs and paedophiles and whatnot. Very clickbaity from the BBC.

Most people understand Tor to be the 'dark web', so I wouldn't call it clickbait. Hell, it is the dark web. It's you who's wrongly associating it with paedophilia and drugs (both amply available on the 'clearnet') IMO, which does quite a disservice to attempts to promote Tor to the newly privacy-conscious. 'Dark' means hidden, not 'evil'.

Straight away in the article they spell it out and make the link between Tor and the dark web:

> The Tor browser is privacy-focused software used to access the dark web

Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for.

It's like saying 12-gauge shotguns are used for bank robberies...

Ok, I'm stretching the point but it's needlessly putting the association of privacy focused browsing using Tor with the nasty shit that some people do with it.

Edit: I realise my understanding of The Dark Web was incorrect so this argument is invalidated now but I'll leave it up.

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people understand Tor to be the 'dark web', so I wouldn't call it clickbait. Hell, it is the dark web. It's you who's wrongly associating it with paedophilia and drugs (both amply available on the 'clearnet') IMO, which does quite a disservice to attempts to promote Tor to the newly privacy-conscious. 'Dark' means hidden, not 'evil'.

Straight away in the article they spell it out and make the link between Tor and the dark web: > The Tor browser is privacy-focused software used to access the dark web Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for. It's like saying 12-gauge shotguns are used for bank robberies... Ok, I'm stretching the point but it's needlessly putting the association of privacy focused browsing using Tor with the nasty shit t…

> Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for.

The "dark" in dark web doesn't mean "bad", it's darkness to prying eyes. If you buy drugs on the dark web, it's the dark web. If you read literature on the dark web that your government doesn't want you to read, it's the dark web as well. The negative connotations you're associating with it are what this step by the BBC will help reduce: pointing out that the criminal use isn't the primary use of the dark web. Privacy is.

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people understand Tor to be the 'dark web', so I wouldn't call it clickbait. Hell, it is the dark web. It's you who's wrongly associating it with paedophilia and drugs (both amply available on the 'clearnet') IMO, which does quite a disservice to attempts to promote Tor to the newly privacy-conscious. 'Dark' means hidden, not 'evil'.

Straight away in the article they spell it out and make the link between Tor and the dark web: > The Tor browser is privacy-focused software used to access the dark web Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for. It's like saying 12-gauge shotguns are used for bank robberies... Ok, I'm stretching the point but it's needlessly putting the association of privacy focused browsing using Tor with the nasty shit t…

I always though that "dark web" is not about the kind of things you can find there, but the fact that is not "in the open internet". Wikipedia seems to think the same way [1]:

"The dark web is the World Wide Web content that exists on darknets, overlay networks that use the Internet but require specific software, configurations, or authorization to access."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Straight away in the article they spell it out and make the link between Tor and the dark web: > The Tor browser is privacy-focused software used to access the dark web Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for. It's like saying 12-gauge shotguns are used for bank robberies... Ok, I'm stretching the point but it's needlessly putting the association of privacy focused browsing using Tor with the nasty shit t…

> Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for. The "dark" in dark web doesn't mean "bad", it's darkness to prying eyes. If you buy drugs on the dark web, it's the dark web. If you read literature on the dark web that your government doesn't want you to read, it's the dark web as well. The negative connotations you're associating with it are what this step by the BBC will help reduce: pointing out that the cri…

My bad. I always assumed it meant bad stuff.

On that note, I bet if you asked non-techs what they think "dark web" means they'd think nasty stuff.

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

#20
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people understand Tor to be the 'dark web', so I wouldn't call it clickbait. Hell, it is the dark web. It's you who's wrongly associating it with paedophilia and drugs (both amply available on the 'clearnet') IMO, which does quite a disservice to attempts to promote Tor to the newly privacy-conscious. 'Dark' means hidden, not 'evil'.

Straight away in the article they spell it out and make the link between Tor and the dark web: > The Tor browser is privacy-focused software used to access the dark web Yes it is. But that's the worst thing it's used for. It's like saying 12-gauge shotguns are used for bank robberies... Ok, I'm stretching the point but it's needlessly putting the association of privacy focused browsing using Tor with the nasty shit t…

But you're using 'dark web' as if it necessarily implies "the worst thing[s]" and "the nasty shit" on Tor. The term 'dark web' doesn't refer to anything nefarious in itself — it simply means content accessible only via Tor (or some other software or network).

Sure, many so-called Hidden Services offer illegal and immoral content, but the dark web is enormous. There are many more such sites offering ebooks and other (legal) media, anonymous blogging/forums/social media, whistleblowing services, censorship-resilient news platforms (BBC, NYT, The Intercept, ProPublica), cryptocurrency trading, and so on.

Hell, even the CIA has a 'dark web' presence on Tor [1].

[1]: http://ciadotgov4sjwlzihbbgxnqg3xiyrg7so2r2o3lt5wz5ypk4sxyjs...

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