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VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Is that why VW was doing very aggressive discounts on the eGolfs a couple months ago? I got mine, a 2019, for dirt cheap, little over 12k new before the tax credits.

Just curious what region you’re in? I’m in the Southeast US and haven’t been able to find anything too far below MSRP for them.

PNW. They were knocking them down pretty far.

https://slickdeals.net/f/13163326-21-000-off-msrp-2019-volks...

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Tesla has 2, so that's 4x in just three years. There is no reason for VW to not build more, if the demand is there. If the demand is not there, then it can become a financial disaster.

Demand will be there once you can charge on every corner and they start making cars that don't cost double the gas equivalent

Are you talking about list price or total cost of ownership?

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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It's worth noting that VW's 2018 target for EV's was 300,000 units. They fell 217,000 units short: https://www.wired.com/2010/07/vw-300k-evs-annually-2018/ I want the company to succeed at EV's more than anyone but if the rollout of the e-tron is any indication it is not going to be smooth sailing: https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/19/18508066/audi-etron-delay...

Is that why VW was doing very aggressive discounts on the eGolfs a couple months ago? I got mine, a 2019, for dirt cheap, little over 12k new before the tax credits.

The e-Golf is to be replaced by the ID.3:

https://www.motor1.com/news/378009/vw-golf-8-production-deta...

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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This is an interesting video that talks about the issues facing the German car industry with the move to EV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXjVxaKzv4 One of the things they talk about that I find interesting is how different EVs are from ICE cars. I think we all assume that the companies that have gotten good at making cars, should be able to adapt to EVs, but it's a fundamentally different problem space. EVs and…

Typewriters and word processors.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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post #164

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Just curious what region you’re in? I’m in the Southeast US and haven’t been able to find anything too far below MSRP for them.

PNW. They were knocking them down pretty far. https://slickdeals.net/f/13163326-21-000-off-msrp-2019-volks...

Whoa! That’s incredible, thank you.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

My sense is that automakers believe that low-emissions cars will not sell well unless people can acquire them as a means of signalling virtue and wealth. In other words, unless the car is instantly identifiable as a fancy new EV, a large subset of potential buyers will lack interest. I suspect this is mostly myth propped up by apocryphal assertions that Prius sold well due to its distinct look. But I am just a long-t…

> automakers believe that low-emissions cars will not sell well unless people can acquire them as a means of signalling virtue and wealth

That's totally why I bought my sweet sexy Spark EV.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

> WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? Because they're targeting early adopters who want to buy a car that looks like a science project. Once they move onto targeting early mainstream, it will start looking more like other cars. Just look at how the Prius changed its look over time.

That's totally why I got my first Spark EV in 2013. It has a tiny badge that says EV so you can tell I care about saving the earth. Although to be fair, the otherwise identical gas Spark looks dorky too.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

My sense is that automakers believe that low-emissions cars will not sell well unless people can acquire them as a means of signalling virtue and wealth. In other words, unless the car is instantly identifiable as a fancy new EV, a large subset of potential buyers will lack interest. I suspect this is mostly myth propped up by apocryphal assertions that Prius sold well due to its distinct look. But I am just a long-t…

UK might be taking an interesting approach, they're thinking of making different registration plates (green) for EV cars...

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Up is the smallest of Volkswagens actually, and this has the front from that. It's not a good looking vehicle by any measure.

I have a 2015 e-up, it's very fun to drive and it has 210 nm of torque. My Toyota Avensis had 150 (at peak RPM). It's like driving a go-cart in the city and it charges 75% capacity in about 15 minutes on fast chargers (enough for about 100 km more). Personally I find it looks quite cool after I did a custom paint job. You can even get it in Honey Yellow [1] from the shop, but personally I think it's a bit gaudy.. My…

Oh, I don't mean to say that the Up isn't a good car, I know they are pretty practical and fun to drive for something that small(although according to Which? magazine it's consistently at the bottom of reliability charts, so take that as you will), just that the front of the Up glued onto a golf-size car doesn't look that good.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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The two current sibling comments are pretty on the mark. Alfas, Land Rovers. I quite like some of the BMWs. Fiat and Citroen are, on the more reasonably priced end of the spectrum, doing innovative/interesting things that are at the very least not bland.

"I quite like some of the BMWs." GRILLs, Grills everywhere! Yaawwwwhhhrrrrr! Grrrrrrrrr! Grills == BBQ == Manly! Sorry, I'm just poking fun. There are so many auto style people that go ga-ga over something that is fundamentally inefficient aerodynamically. I'd like to note that Fiat and Citroen, based on my rather sparse knowledge, are basically not even bothering with EVs at the moment.

Fiat have an electric 500, and Citroen have been reselling Mitsubishi EVs for a looong time, but yeah, not a whole lot going on. I figured GP was discussing design aesthetic in general though.

I always thought BMWs grills looked more snout-like than BBQ-ish...

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