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Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by blotter_paper »

sova wrote: post #52
tempsy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: The YouTube engineer who, over the summer, took LSD and went on a stabbing rampage. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/youtube-engin...

That's probably more related to working for YouTube where the comments are absolute vitriol. Actually reading this article this person was clearly not mentally equipped for a trip, ended up taking 2 additional doses after already "becoming delusional" and then going on a rampage when his friends tried to get him to stop. All because they rented a house on the fourth of July and thought what better thing to use to par…

My worst trip (which I still don't regret) was when I took a strip of acid, and then a friend who was 4 tabs in pulled out some tannerite that he hadn't mentioned beforehand and started shooting at exploding targets. I was totally lost in the swirl of drugs, vaguely aware of the explosions and worrying about the safety of my friends. I think I could've handled it a lot better if I had known about the exploding targets before the entheogens kicked in, but still, the 4th of July probably isn't the best time for those particular drugs :/

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by improv32 »

I'm the one who provided the third quoted anecdote in the article. What I didn't mention was the HPPD coincided with a sort of depersonalization/derealization effect. Basically I got very checked out from my own life. I felt as if I was a spectator watching my life happen and I didn't really feel any connection or agency towards anything coming into my sensorium. It was a really weird and hard time for me. Those feelings as well as the hallucinations came and went together for me. After about 1-2 years I was completely back to normal. During that time I still microdosed occasionally, but that didn't seem to have any effect on those symptoms either way. I didn't have experience anything like that until I took pretty large doses (>200ug). I was taking 100ug doses on a regular basis without having any lasting effects, it appeared to me that the high doses came with the aftereffects. I also didn't experience anything like that with psilocin (mushrooms). I'm willing to answer any questions about my experience if anyone has any

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by virtualwhys »

qes wrote: post #60
hppdthrowaway wrote: post #49

Alright, I'll bite. I developed HPPD in 2017, and I've been seeing unusual things for a bit over 2 years. The HPPD was triggered by dropping on the order of 1000-1400 micrograms of LSD - and for context a reasonable dose was 50 micrograms. This was way too much, and I fried for a few days. I'm not sure when I came down because HPPD decided to show up and it took me a while to realize that the HPPD was, well, persiste…

50 mcg is a pretty small dose. Not as small as micro-dosing, but like first timer being extra cautious sized. 1000-1400 mcg is like 5-7 solid doses, which is no joke, but it's not 20-30 doses like you sort of imply.

It's a gigantic amount. For context Hoffman took around 300mcg and was clearly tripping very hard (based on his account); that's around 4X street acid at 75mcg per tab.

Even if you were to measure a single tab as 150mcg the OP is claiming they took nearly 10 tabs, which is a massive amount, you'd be out of your mind for days.

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by beerandt »

Zod666 wrote: post #57
hppdthrowaway wrote: post #49

Alright, I'll bite. I developed HPPD in 2017, and I've been seeing unusual things for a bit over 2 years. The HPPD was triggered by dropping on the order of 1000-1400 micrograms of LSD - and for context a reasonable dose was 50 micrograms. This was way too much, and I fried for a few days. I'm not sure when I came down because HPPD decided to show up and it took me a while to realize that the HPPD was, well, persiste…

I have never heard Tinnitus described as a neurological condition. I had pretty bad Tinnitus as a result of a jaw injury. It has gradually faded but it made sleeping difficult for a very long time.

I was surprised to have my new audiologist describe it as neurological, and it can be the result of the brain trying to fill in "missing gaps" of auditory signals- like the static on analog TVs. Then said new studies show hearing aids can reduce the severity of tinnitus, even when hearing loss is moderate.

She's fairly fresh out of school, and I haven't been able to filter out yet whether there is any new science, or if it's more of a trendy academic topic included in new textbooks, or even a new sales tactic by the hearing aid companies.

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by o09rdk »

chubot wrote: post #8

So I wonder: psychedelics make you more likely to believe woo, and more likely to have certain classes of visual hallucinations. But some people believe woo without taking psychedelics, and some people have those same visual hallucinations without taking psychedelics. Interesting, I believe it and have always wondered about this. I think people's sensory experiences vary wildly by nature, but we have no access to the…

Some people hallucinate without drugs. There's a range of this, in terms of intensity and type.

Some people take drugs.

They tend to onset around the same age (adolescence to early adulthood).

Ergo, by base rates, some will start around the same time completely by chance.

Also, I get the sense that some hallucinations are "amplifications" of various types of pre-existing sensory experiences. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just started noticing certain things they were doing already but hadn't noticed before.

Not really arguing against the idea/phenomenon of [semi-]permanent drug-induced hallucinations. Just suggesting that it's hard to interpret the data in some cases because of various alternative explanations.

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by empath75 »

codazoda wrote: post #82
codazoda wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Me too, and it's definitely a result of taking psychedelics. I quite like it. I suspect that I could have always made those CEVs appear, but I didn't "know how" until taking psychedelics. Me too and it's probably not a result of taking psychedelics; as I've never tried them recreationally. I did, however, have vivid hallucinations as a result of Nitrous oxide at the dentist office as a child. I don't think I see fl…

Further searching the web seems to suggest that Nitrous oxide doesn't cause hallucinations, but I remember them pretty vividly. It's also pretty well documented that we can't rely on our memories. Makes me wonder. Mine are definitely not the same as the ones you get from rubbing your eyes. Mine happen only occasionally in a very dark room and look more like a red/orange on a black background in a kaleidoscope.

Most disassociatives like nitrous can cause hallucinations but they are more of an intense dreamlike state than what lsd causes.

With LSD hallucinations you are very much still present in the world even if you interpret things in a strange way.

With the kinds of hallucinations you have with disassociatives you may be partially conscious but you aren’t present in a meaningful way.

I have a vivid memory of a ketamine trip where I was physically in a hotel room but mentally I was flying through some alien crystalline planet. I was awake and apparently talking to people but it was definitely not the same as a psychedelic hallucination.

LSD hallucinations are more like the deep dream images where you have more or less correct sensory input, but anything that looks vaguely eye-like, for example, your brain can’t help interpreting it like an actual eye. The way your brain builds a model of reality just becomes broken and you make all these connections between things that are not normally connected.

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by mistrial9 »

improv32 wrote: post #92

I'm the one who provided the third quoted anecdote in the article. What I didn't mention was the HPPD coincided with a sort of depersonalization/derealization effect. Basically I got very checked out from my own life. I felt as if I was a spectator watching my life happen and I didn't really feel any connection or agency towards anything coming into my sensorium. It was a really weird and hard time for me. Those feel…

did you read any Franz Kafka novels at any point?

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by 3131s »

hppdthrowaway wrote: post #75
qes wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50 mcg is a pretty small dose. Not as small as micro-dosing, but like first timer being extra cautious sized. 1000-1400 mcg is like 5-7 solid doses, which is no joke, but it's not 20-30 doses like you sort of imply.

To be fair it was tabs of acid rather than anything precisely measured, but it was enough to keep me going for 48 hours. Might have been more, might have been less, but that's really a bit too much.

100 mcg is to me a standard dose, and having done 1000+ mcg a couple times myself I can say that's a lot! I also had HPPD after a year or so of heavy psychedelic use.

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by pg_is_a_butt »

improv32 wrote: post #92

I'm the one who provided the third quoted anecdote in the article. What I didn't mention was the HPPD coincided with a sort of depersonalization/derealization effect. Basically I got very checked out from my own life. I felt as if I was a spectator watching my life happen and I didn't really feel any connection or agency towards anything coming into my sensorium. It was a really weird and hard time for me. Those feel…

How do you know I'm real?

Re: Some people who take psychedelics continue hallucinating indefinitely

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Post by ytwySXpMbS »

tfha wrote: post #30
es-hn wrote: post #24

I’ve used LSD and psilocybin, though not for many years, and have had minor, infrequent, non-disruptive hallucinations. They usually consist of momentary visual deformations of repeating patterns, e.g., tiles on a BART platform will appear to shift or move. These visual variances are a small taste of a full-on trip, in which everything can shift, move, or dance. It’s nice to see others have shared this experience. Re…

Yeah I have several permanent overhangs from my experiences with psychedelics as well. At one point I did 500+ug of LSD in a single trip and I am still working through PTSD from some of my delusions. That said, the net effect on my life has been massively positive and has directly contributed to me being comfortable with myself, my body, my mind, my friends, and my place in this world. Despite the overhangs, I highly…

When you say PTSD, would you mind expanding on how that manifests? Is it a low level constant anxiety, or more akin to sudden anxiety due to a certain trigger, or something else? I understand if it's too personal a topic. I'm very interested in psychedelics, but am worried about the potential negative side effects. Someone I know said LSD caused them anxiety once, and it lasted for a few months but eventually sorted itself out. Is your PTSD sorting itself out slowly? How long ago was your 500+ug experience?

Also you say you have some permanent overhangs; would you mind telling me a bit more so I know what to expect?

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