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Under digital surveillance: how American schools spy on millions of kids

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Re: Under digital surveillance: how American schools spy on millions of kids

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does reasonable steps imply "prevent all bad actors in all cases"? of course not, that's an incredibly uncharitable reading of "reasonable", not even an intelligence agency would set such an impossible standard. keep in mind this whole thread started with a comment about "what if your brother googles something bad as a prank?" I'm literally just talking about setting a password that isn't "password" and locking the…

Because this argument is tone deaf and ignores that kids are, well, kids . Actual adults have terrible security practices. Are you seriously trying to hold kids, who had no choice in the matter, to the same security standards? They’re kids , and likely won’t even understand the gravity of the situation we’re discussing here. These aren’t grown adults working at a company. They’re kids who had laptops foisted upon the…

even in school, it's actually kind of important that students don't let each other trivially access their accounts. if someone logs into your account and bullies a classmate or copies your work, "I left it unlocked in the cafeteria" can't be an acceptable excuse.

> Actual adults have terrible security practices. Are you seriously trying to hold kids, who had no choice in the matter, to the same security standards? They’re kids, and likely won’t even understand the gravity of the situation we’re discussing here.

> These aren’t grown adults working at a company. They’re kids who had laptops foisted upon them.

this is my point. I'm not holding the kids to any standard; I'm just saying this is a fundamental precondition to being entrusted with an account at an organization. if it's not reasonable to expect this of them, the school should not be issuing computers/accounts. the ultimate responsibility absolutely lies with the school.

Re: Under digital surveillance: how American schools spy on millions of kids

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should have been more clear. I'm not talking about sophisticated adversaries performing hardware attacks on a middle school student's laptop. I'm talking about the very basic steps necessary to prevent your brother from googling for porn on your school computer. in the vast majority of cases, having a good password and logging out of the computer when you're finished will prevent these kinds of pranks. if the child…

No one asked for their own computer. EdTech companies forced it on the kids by bribing and presuring school admins.

I'm not criticizing the children. I am criticizing the people who are forcing computers on people who are (according to the responses) not ready to use them in an organizational setting.

Re: Under digital surveillance: how American schools spy on millions of kids

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this argument is tone deaf and ignores that kids are, well, kids . Actual adults have terrible security practices. Are you seriously trying to hold kids, who had no choice in the matter, to the same security standards? They’re kids , and likely won’t even understand the gravity of the situation we’re discussing here. These aren’t grown adults working at a company. They’re kids who had laptops foisted upon the…

even in school, it's actually kind of important that students don't let each other trivially access their accounts. if someone logs into your account and bullies a classmate or copies your work, "I left it unlocked in the cafeteria" can't be an acceptable excuse. > Actual adults have terrible security practices. Are you seriously trying to hold kids, who had no choice in the matter, to the same security standards? Th…

I understand your statement after explanation but in your original post you said

>if it's unreasonable to expect a child to clear this bar, then they are not yet responsible enough to be entrusted with their own computing device.

There is no English interpretation of this that comes across as you saying it's the schools responsibility. It 100% sounds like you put the onus on the children

Re: Under digital surveillance: how American schools spy on millions of kids

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An interesting example of why cost of education can have unbounded growth. Parents who sue schools are actually suing society.

> Parents who sue schools are actually suing society. As a member of society I, for one, appreciate their efforts to protect our collective privacy.

The school doesn’t pay though, just taxpayers...
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