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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by faissaloo »

song wrote: post #142

Macos used to not have a yearly schedule. New versions took the time they needed. I think it's actually a better model, it allows engineers the time to test and make sure things work. Having arbitrary deadlines just increases the amount of crunch time which usually increases the amount of bugs. Other than that, I wish that Apple did another Snow Leopard and focused for one year purely on fixing bugs in macos x instea…

Snow Leopard is still my favourite MacOS, anything past that I've never been super keen on.

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Post by fizx »

mschaef wrote: post #207
jwr wrote: post #104

I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

> If Apple also spent 10% of its revenue on processing bug reports and fixing bugs Just to be clear, you're suggesting they dedicate $25B/year to bug fixing? Seems high, given their total R&D budget for 2018 was only ~56% of that. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/05/apple-2018-form-10-k-hi...

That's around 100,000 engineers worth of salary. Good luck (:

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Post by 29083011397778 »

ianlevesque wrote: post #272
elagost wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I apologize for not being clear; I was referring primarily to 4.4 "KitKat". Still have a tablet that I run with that on it (offline) to read ebooks. Quite nice. You are correct though - pre-4.0 was pretty rough.

Yeah agreed. I am torn presently between the feature creep and the fact that new phones are so physically faster computationally that Android can finally scroll smoothly.

Even my 2017 KeyOne with 2GB RAM and a slower class SoC runs fine; the only caveat is I've disabled GApps. I realize this is a large ask for some, but I think it's important to point out that Android itself isn't terribly heavy, Google's tracking is.

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Post by nwallin »

jkoberg wrote: post #278
elagost wrote: post #243

Yesterday a coworker was frustrated with his computers, and said something insightful: "When software gets past a certain age it just gets bad." He was referring primarily to Android and Windows (10) but it applies to every piece of software that suffers from feature creep. If it's a cash cow they have to keep stuffing new things in and periodically repainting it to make it look new again. Around 10.9, MacOS reached…

You'd be amazed at home much time and how many resources useless UI animations take up. Go turn "Animation Scale" to 0 in the android developer settings page, and it will feel like your phone is 10x faster.

Holy shitballs. This is amazing. Why isn't this the default?

Maybe I can wait till the pixel 5... oh.

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Post by elagost »

tolmasky wrote: post #309
elagost wrote: post #243

Yesterday a coworker was frustrated with his computers, and said something insightful: "When software gets past a certain age it just gets bad." He was referring primarily to Android and Windows (10) but it applies to every piece of software that suffers from feature creep. If it's a cash cow they have to keep stuffing new things in and periodically repainting it to make it look new again. Around 10.9, MacOS reached…

macOS' problem ironically enough I think is that it is not a cash cow. Apple stopped charging for it with 10.9, but of course more importantly, the Mac itself does not generate a ton of cash for Apple (which was always the true source of revenue). Not a day goes by that I don't imagine features I wish macOS did for me. The desktop OS is not "mature" or "complete", its just not a big enough piece of the pie with compa…

Quite insightful - thanks for writing this.

I'd love to see evidence otherwise, but I do think that desktop interfaces are pretty "done" at this point - you can have a couple different paradigms and layouts, but usually it's the same thing - either a Windows 7-style taskbar/start menu layout, or a macOS dock/statusbar layout. There's not been much change in the desktop space in a long time. Features here, animations there, but desktops are relatively stagnant. The cool thing is that you can extend them with other programs if you want, but mostly they're just a way to launch programs. Not a lot of messing around is needed if you ask me.

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Post by Lammy »

elagost wrote: post #254
ianlevesque wrote: post #249

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> Running older Android versions reminds me of how fast and slick they were Those are some rose-tinted glasses for sure. Android lacked basic performance and stability for years after release.

I apologize for not being clear; I was referring primarily to 4.4 "KitKat". Still have a tablet that I run with that on it (offline) to read ebooks. Quite nice. You are correct though - pre-4.0 was pretty rough.

I'm quite partial to 4.2.2 Jelly Bean, the last release with the "Phablet" UI layouts meant for the Nexus 7. I had a Galaxy Note Ⅱ at the time, and it was easy to get that UI by changing the screen DPI setting or using a custom build like Paranoid Android: https://i.imgur.com/O8lSsXn.png

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Post by hobs »

alphakappa wrote: post #260
hobs wrote: post #202

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Just a not that there is a way to get a bug report filed - call support, get the issue escalated because its not fixed, if they cant fix it it will go to engineering. I have personally witnessed hundreds of support cases go through this various process, in some cases taking months of work (for communication mostly from eng to customer) of T2 support reps. Now - is their current spend sufficient? Probably not, but App…

While this is true, it is a solution for people dedicated to getting a problem fixed. Calling up a support line is a huge barrier, and companies lose out when people cannot file bugs or express their frustration with little issues with ease.

Absolutely - and out of the first year of purchase you gotta pay - people LOVE paying! But that last part matters - if a company already wins the customer service metrics - how do you convince management the money is worth it?

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Post by hootbootscoot »

hootbootscoot wrote: post #248
SCdF wrote: post #151

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If this your anecdote, or are their studies around this? I ask because anecdotally everyone I know finds Windows 10 to be the most stable Windows they've ever used.

Dear Flag-happy HN reader: flag this. It's an opinion. If you can't handle a subjective opinion from a subjective being then don't expect anyone to handle your subjective opinion, subjective being. Every windows OS since XP SP3 has been terrible, IMO. The UI gets more and more unusable and I am no longer able to even assist an old person do something simple. Microsofts entire product line is BROKEN, IMO. Outlook.com?…

oh no. i lost "points"

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Post by saagarjha »

xhruso00 wrote: post #146
bluejekyll wrote: post #105

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I was just speaking with an acquaintance at Apple this weekend that works in a group in this area at Apple, and they pretty much said exactly what you just said. Also, it doesn’t help that they can’t directly benefit from the general progress the industry is making in virtualization and container areas without rewriting for their own platform.

This is in contrast to this ex-Apple engineer. He recently quit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGg_12gn-s I also read on twitter that it's the Interns who deal with "fun" bugs -> not professionals! https://twitter.com/meteochu/status/1186701883429273604

I wouldn't read too much into that tweet.
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