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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

Hypothetically, suppose you work for an intelligence agency. Suppose that your specific role is to monitor foreign influence in the US. What do you do when in your opinion (possibly supported by classified evidence) that duly elected president is compromised by foreign intelligence? What do you do when the president makes decisions that hurt the US and help countries opposed to us? Suppose there's some irrefutable cl…

Reality Winner didn't sit by and do nothing, in precisely the situation you describe. What are you doing to support her?

Classification isn't holy writ. In order to save the union, you'd be justified to publish anything under your own name. That would be more believable than anonymous leaks that can't be discerned about the general noise floor of anonymous leaking. Snowden put his own name on his releases. Why can't this hypothetical heroic spook do the same?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Who's cooped up in an embassy? Snowden is free to walk the streets.

He wasn't for a long time, as he explains in the actual podcast.

He wasn’t ever in an embassy. Are you confusing with Assange?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Do you agree that if there's real legitimate evidence of the FBI and CIA lying to the FISA court in order to spy on a political campaign that Comey and Brennan should be imprisoned?

Sure but what did they lie about to the FISA court?

Did they not make up something about Trump's lady friends pissing on a bed in Moscow?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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His argument is extremely clear. It's just unclear to anyone with absolutely no background knowledge, like Joe. He didn't explain it in the clearest way on the podcast because Joe was missing a lot of necessary basics, but if he sat down with Joe for longer and perhaps drew a diagram or something, I think he'd get it.

Perhaps "clear" isn't the right word. Sometimes when someone is spouting total nonsense I initially assume that I didn't understand them clearly because obviously no educated, articulate person could actually be that stupid. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, right? But no, in Bostrom's case it's total unsupported bullshit all the way down regardless of whether he's talking about AGI / singularity / simulations…

my impression is that you seem to have an emotional commitment to your position. why do you say that bostrom is "that stupid" talking about "bullshit all the way down" and is "conning" people?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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The whistleblower protections that Snowden did not bother to use are the same ones currently providing the spark for the impeachment proceedings in the US House of Representatives. Really wish he had gone that route instead of the one he chose - and we'll never know for sure how pure his intentions were/are because of it.

I agree with everything he did except for fleeing the country.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

Actually, it is the Democratic house representatives that are trying to remove the president. Edit: Original words below Actually, the Democratic party is in motion to remove a questionably elected president. And he'll actually end up resigning in utter disgrace. His crimes will be revealed and his name will become synonymous for greed, stupidity, and treachery. I bet you, here in front of all of HN.

Will this be before or after he is reelected one year from now?

I really did have hopes for the Democrats, but they just can't quit on Biden.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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How do you know?

I posted links. If you don't think Google has encrypted its cross-datacenter traffic, you can try to access it yourself. If you don't think the NSA has stopped collecting all phone metadata, why would there be records of the NSA collecting a subset of metadata afterward?

Every corrupt organization keeps two sets of books.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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“Fake” whistleblower? This is a hop and a skip away from Q-anon territory, and shouldn’t be on hn.

Real whistleblowers: Snowden, Kiriakou, Binney, Drake, Manning, Winner. Notice a theme of career loss, prison, total life upheaval, and a press that DGAF. Fake whistleblower: still works for CIA, whistleblowing has purely political rather than administrative effects, and ongoing adulation in the press. If you don't want to see this on HN, then downvote and move on.

Ignore this guy, he's leaking from /r/politics

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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I often find myself scrolling to the bottom of these snowden threads just to see how often people downvote/flag opinions they don't agree with. HN doesn't seem to be much better than reddit in this regard

I couldn't agree more. This issue is super duper clear but nobody seems to "get" it. Too enamored with the idea of a folk hero to consider the fallout from a long view perspective.

Well said.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

And i think he would take this path, but i do not think he can get a fair trial right now.

A fair trial isn't what he's after. By his own admission he would be quickly and easily prosecuted for his actions. He's after something which doesn't presently exist:

“If I’d made preexisting arrangements to fly to a specific country and seek asylum, for example, I would’ve been called a foreign agent of that country. Meanwhile, if I returned to my own country, the best I could hope for was to be arrested upon landing and charged under the Espionage Act. That would’ve entitled me to a show trial deprived of any meaningful defense, a sham in which all discussion of the most important facts would be forbidden.

“The major impediment to justice was a major flaw in the law, a purposeful flaw created by the government. Someone in my position would not even be allowed to argue in court that the disclosures I made to journalists were civically beneficial. Even now, years after the fact, I would not be allowed to argue that the reporting based on my disclosures had caused Congress to change certain laws regarding surveillance, or convinced the courts to strike down a certain mass surveillance program as illegal, or influenced the attorney general and the president of the United States to admit that the debate over mass surveillance was a crucial one for the public to have, one that would ultimately strengthen the country. All these claims would be deemed not just irrelevant but inadmissible in the kind of proceedings that I would face were I to head home. The only thing my government would have to prove in court is that I disclosed classified information to journalists, a fact that is not in dispute. “This is why anyone who says I have to come back to the States for trial is essentially saying I have to come back to the States for sentencing, and the sentence would, now as then, surely be a cruel one. The penalty for disclosing top secret documents, whether to foreign spies or domestic journalists, is up to ten years per document.”

Excerpt From: Edward Snowden. “Permanent Record.” Apple Books.

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