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VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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This is vaporware. VW are stuck. They are not able to innovate. VW EVs are always tomorrow, whereas actual manufacturers do deliver EVs now : Nissan and Renault besides Tesla.

VW is really a TON of brands, all pushing for the same thing. ITs more about adoption of vw's target market then anything.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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post #42
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demand will be there once you can charge on every corner and they start making cars that don't cost double the gas equivalent

Someone on reddit recently bought a new Tesla for $30,000 after incentives (not counting savings on gas, oil, brake pads, and other maintenance). Sure that is double the price of some bottom rung cars but $30k is pretty common these days.

Still, $30k is far from affordable for many people, whereas you can get plenty of decent ICE vehicles (e.g. Honda Fit) closer to 15k.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

#63
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porsche (a division of VW) is not vaporware in the EV space.

Porsche isn’t mainstream car. It’s a toy for riches, not for salaried employees. Edit: I was wrong. I could lease Macan for ~700€/month.

Porsche pushes tech in the higher end cars, make it work well and reduce costs, then eventually ends up in audi's / vw's. Look at how porsche 919 hybrid is making power, its totally new.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

It looks like a Golf... It's a very classic design for VW.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

#65
post #49

This is vaporware. VW are stuck. They are not able to innovate. VW EVs are always tomorrow, whereas actual manufacturers do deliver EVs now : Nissan and Renault besides Tesla.

EV or not at least make a pretty car. Even a Camry looks better than that horrible looking VW EV.

German car manufacturers will have to innovate harder and need to make inroads in more competitive markets like USA and India instead of relying on Europe.

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post #64
post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

It looks like a Golf... It's a very classic design for VW.

More like the Polo, the cheapest and smallest of the VWs. For me it's also not an appealing look for such an expensive vehicle.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

#67
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porsche (a division of VW) is not vaporware in the EV space.

Porsche isn’t mainstream car. It’s a toy for riches, not for salaried employees. Edit: I was wrong. I could lease Macan for ~700€/month.

Porsche is in the same market segment as Tesla is.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

yeah, I don't get it either. Although this one is not that bad.

(tinfoil hat) Seems like they want this to fail to keep ICE and all the supporting industries alive for more $$. After all service/parts is where the real money is...

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

#69
post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

Aerodynamics dictates some form of Kammback. Tesla is leaving potential efficiency gains on the table by going with a "normal" shape.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

I agree a normal looking car is better, but the Audi e-tron is very pretty.
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