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U.S. senators want social media users to be able to take their data with them

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#51

Being able to take your data with you is good but most of the value in social media is due to the network effect. If you can't seamlessly being your connections with you, the incumbents will continue to have a huge advantage over newcomers to the market. In the context of social media, how could someone bring their connections with them to a new platform without compromising the rights of those connected to?

Are "connections" not also "your data"? It's a list of other users, curated by you.

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#52
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to do that. Move all my Instagram pics to Pixelfed and all my tweets to Mastodon. Not sure I could do that with the way things are now.

do all your tweets just mean top level? or all your replies to others as well? and the resulting threads?

I’d be fine with top-level.

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#53
post #18

Isn't it the whole idea behind https://solid.inrupt.com/ ?

+1 for solid. Solid has these concerns baked into the design. It's the best solution I've seen for user-owned data and interoperability, not to mention the wealth of possibilities enabled by linked data. To try to legislate those concerns into the current centralized web is going to cause a lot of grief.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to do that. Move all my Instagram pics to Pixelfed and all my tweets to Mastodon. Not sure I could do that with the way things are now.

But that kind of makes no sense. It'll be completely out of context and it's not going to provide much value. Wet can't you just link to your Twitter on mastodon?

I’d like having an archive of my tweets that I control. I know they have a tool, but as far as I know, there’s no way to upload that to Mastodon. I could be wrong about that.

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> The bill would require communications platforms with more than 100 million monthly active members - Facebook has more than two billion - to allow its users to easily move, or port, their data to another network, Warner’s office said in a statement.

Facebook already has a data export feature. You have to manually navigate to that page and download a giant zip file. Cool.

The much more important concept being proposed here is delegation:

> Under the bill the companies would be required to maintain an interface to facilitate interoperability. Or users would be allowed to choose another company to manage a user’s account settings, content, and online interactions, the statement said.

Very few people are going to manually export their data from Facebook. But they might go to a new network that supports cross-posting to Facebook, or an automatic import that doesn't require them to navigate Facebook's menus.

Delegation is a severely underappreciated digital right. Beyond advocating for data-exports, we should advocate that users have the right to delegate data-access through APIs to third-parties. If I can manually update/download my Facebook status, I should also be allowed to programmatically update it. And I should be able to authorize another person to update/download it on my behalf.

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#56

> The bill would require communications platforms with more than 100 million monthly active members - Facebook has more than two billion - to allow its users to easily move, or port, their data to another network, Warner’s office said in a statement. Facebook already has a data export feature. You have to manually navigate to that page and download a giant zip file. Cool. The much more important concept being propose…

So, facebook and twitter already have apis for almost all their functions. What's the goal of this legislation?

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#57

> The bill would require communications platforms with more than 100 million monthly active members - Facebook has more than two billion - to allow its users to easily move, or port, their data to another network, Warner’s office said in a statement. I assume that this proposal is based on good intentions. But how they want to overcome the technical hurdles is a mystery to me. Who decides, how facebook should structu…

We have open banking API in UK, which is much more useful than having an export button. It allows for actual interoperability. You could draw inspiration from that.

And how would that be different from Facebook's previous data access API that allowed companies like Cambridge Analytica access to people's friends data?

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#58
post #17

Who asked for this, exactly? I know plenty of users who would like to delete their data--I can't think of too many that want to port it over somewhere else. Is the idea that this would fuel competition by allowing people to migrate their history over to decentralized/federated alternatives?

>delete their data Which is arguably, at least in part, actually in opposition to this. To the degree that data can be better exported and spread around, it's more likely to be persisted than if it's locked up in a single company's system.

I don't think so - I can export my data, then delete it from your network. Now I'm in control of its spread. Subsequently, I can import that data $elsewhere, add to it, export again, and delete it from $elsewhere.

I don't see these as being in opposition at all.

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#59
post #56

> The bill would require communications platforms with more than 100 million monthly active members - Facebook has more than two billion - to allow its users to easily move, or port, their data to another network, Warner’s office said in a statement. Facebook already has a data export feature. You have to manually navigate to that page and download a giant zip file. Cool. The much more important concept being propose…

So, facebook and twitter already have apis for almost all their functions. What's the goal of this legislation?

At least as far as Twitter goes don't they limit some of their APIs like how many users a given set of API keys can use or something like that?

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post #56

> The bill would require communications platforms with more than 100 million monthly active members - Facebook has more than two billion - to allow its users to easily move, or port, their data to another network, Warner’s office said in a statement. Facebook already has a data export feature. You have to manually navigate to that page and download a giant zip file. Cool. The much more important concept being propose…

So, facebook and twitter already have apis for almost all their functions. What's the goal of this legislation?

To break the Facebook and Twitter monopolies.
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