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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by resters » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:18 PM UTC

anongraddebt wrote: post #155

claudeganon wrote: post #105

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Yes because he’s not an expert on trans issues, he’s a comedian, which Rogan knows, but chose to use him as a foil for his equally misinformed stances. Connover, to his credit, went so far as to provide additional context for his defense of trans people’s agency post-interview: https://www.adamconover.net/adding-evidence-to-the-discussio...

Multiple commenters have stated his stances are misinformed. Are his stances misinformed or is he simply poor at arguing for one of the many stances people can take on trans issues (issues which, if everyone is honest, are pretty complex)? The stance that it is wrong that there should only be male and female sports leagues AND that trans people should automatically be included in whichever their identification maps t…

I listened to that episode by accident (autoplay). He was just venting ignorantly about his prejudices toward trans people. It was honestly quite an ugly spectacle. It was the kind of commentary one might overhear from a table of not-so-bright senior citizens at a Denny’s.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by 0x445442 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:18 PM UTC

cevn wrote: post #168

ambicapter wrote: post #164

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[Citation needed]

[There won't be any because he's full of shit]

No, all those that believed the Russia collusion hoax and then the obstruction hoax and now the Ukrainian hoax, they're full of shit.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by mieseratte » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:19 PM UTC

mr_overalls wrote: post #177

0x445442 wrote: post #150

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We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

It's incredible to me that someone can be this willfully blind. POTUS has been the subject of multiple investigations because he has a long and ongoing history of doing incredibly shady things - money laundering, tax evasion, consorting with Russian mafiya figures, _openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia. And now we know he's done the same with Ukraine.

Three years of investigation and nothing. Yet you insist we're willfully blind? Are you privy to information the rest of us aren't?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by DaniloDias » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:20 PM UTC

vfc1 wrote: post #88

andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

>>Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber.

Counterpoint:

Be brave about hearing stupid arguments. They are a whetting stone for your own thoughts.

It is not smart, courageous, healthy or prudent to prevent yourself from being exposed to bad ideas.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by xrd » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis.

He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book would be remembered on its own as a discourse on what being human means in these times. But, it will never be viewed on its own, and that is a tragedy.

Pardon Snowden.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by 0x445442 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

mr_overalls wrote: post #177

0x445442 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also live in a time when the CIA and FBI has been trying to remove a duly elected POTUS for the past three years. Why? because they think they know better than the unwashed masses.

It's incredible to me that someone can be this willfully blind. POTUS has been the subject of multiple investigations because he has a long and ongoing history of doing incredibly shady things - money laundering, tax evasion, consorting with Russian mafiya figures, _openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia. And now we know he's done the same with Ukraine.

You're selectively choosing where you get your information which is the real crux of the problem; there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain. The comment elsewhere in this thread about the failure of the 4th estate is the relevant one.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by mmaaggyy » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

lawn wrote: post #68

senorjazz wrote: post #44

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> I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, Then you cannot listen to many. Joe speaks so much bollox with an authoritative air that if you didn't know the subject you would think that Joe did, when many many times he clearly does not. I agree they are interesting when he lets the guest speak (even if completely disagree with them) or it is on something Joe does know about / has researched. But that is f…

He even does this in an area he should be knowledgeable in: MMA. For example how he went on how you should destroy yourself in training, and always go 110%, while his guest (I can't remember who, maybe Firaz Zahabi the coach of GSP) said the exact opposite.

You'll want to provide a citation here as the claim you are making is likely false, or perhaps you've just mis-remembered.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by dd36 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

Pigo wrote: post #116

roenxi wrote: post #70

There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…

The intelligence agencies have proven to be vindictive, and also a back-channel arm for straight up partisan politics. It seems like it goes unnoticed when the outcome is something that aligns with a party's goals. I just can't tell if it's fallible people in positions of power, or a real concerted effort. I think a lot of our problems stem from the undermining of our system of checks and balances, and whatever is up…

Examples of partisan politics by IC?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by slenk » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #123

magashna wrote: post #119

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Is a man who chooses not to walk into a pointed knife a coward?

Reality winner is only serving 5 years and she showed good faith. Ellsberg won in court and served 0 years. If Snowden weren't a coward he could be there in person right now.

No...the US wants him dead. There is no chance in hell he gets a fair trial.

The instant he would step into the US he would be arrested and sentenced for life.

Very naive to think the government will let this one go

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by playeren » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #138

shadowgovt wrote: post #112

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That's not nearly as simple as the explanation that the public doesn't actually care about whether domestic agencies are spying on everyone. I think most Americans are in the "I have nothing to hide" line of thinking. The media won't carry a story that their numbers tell them doesn't have legs with the audience.

Forget the public, why don't elected officials themselves act more in simple self-interest? Not all of them are bankrolled by the military-industrial complex, yet not a one ever utters a peep about the trillions we spend on evil security-theater bullshit. No, killing lots of people in the Middle East does not make us safer, which anyone on any of the relevant Congressional committees could tell you. Most of them woul…

I would guess that people in general are fearful of reprecussions when the antagonists are 'better connected', 'higher ranked' or 'richer'. Often the scariest threats are those implied.