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IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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Re: IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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I'm a layman on this, but reading IBM's rebuttal, it seems that they're saying "you can't say that a conventional supercomputer would take 10'000 years because you haven't accounted for spilling to disk and other optimisations". I understand that some of these optimisations might be on the processing logic, but doesn't this end up being like comparing apples to oranges? I understand that there's also what seems to be…

No, the point is that spilling to disk allows you to run classical algorithm linearly, so there is no exponential speedup. I elaborated this in detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21334025

Re: IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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post #8

The main takeaway here is figure 1 in this article: they show that for an increasing circuit depth, computation time (on a classical computer) scales linearly. Google claims, on the other hand, that a classical calculation would scale exponentially. This is the basis for the graph in the Google blog [1], which seems to suggest that the Quantum computer can easily reach points (such as qbits=50, cycles=25) which the c…

So if they increase the number number of qubits they'll be have a classically infeasible calculation again? Should be interesting.

Re: IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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post #8

The main takeaway here is figure 1 in this article: they show that for an increasing circuit depth, computation time (on a classical computer) scales linearly. Google claims, on the other hand, that a classical calculation would scale exponentially. This is the basis for the graph in the Google blog [1], which seems to suggest that the Quantum computer can easily reach points (such as qbits=50, cycles=25) which the c…

So if they increase the number number of qubits they'll be have a classically infeasible calculation again? Should be interesting.

If the problem is linear, then frankly I don't think anyone cares if there's a QC implementation.

Re: IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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post #34

Is 200 seconds not faster than 2.5 days?? I don't see the argument here

The key claim is linear scaling. IBM: "The runtime of our simulation method scales approximately linearly with the circuit depth". That directly contradicts what Google wrote in the paper: "... algorithm becomes exponentially more computationally expensive with increasing circuit depth".

Re: IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's still pretty fuzzy. If we agree that 10,000 years on a classical system is supremacy but 2.5 years isn't, where's the cutoff? 25 years? 250? An average human lifespan? Edit: Thanks guys for pointing out where I misread the article, leaving mistake intact so the replies make sense.

2.5 _days_, not years. A still fuzzy and arbitrary but imo somewhat elegant cutoff would let feasibility be set by the market and technological development, in the sense of something not being worth throwing compute at _now_ because the timescale of work is slow enough that future classical efficiencies will progress (much) quicker.

For market forces to be meaningful, the calculation would need to provide value to someone. At the moment the desired output is simply "a distribution which is hard to simulate classically," so assessment in terms of market value would be very premature.

Re: IBM casts doubt on Google's claims of quantum supremacy

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Repeating my question from the other thread: If IBM can cast doubt by describing a 2.5 day classical run, why not just do that instead, and blow the claim out of the water? There were a couple of responses (thanks) but I still don't understand - it looks like it's not as easy as they imply.

They didn't say 2.5 days on a laptop. They probably mean on a bunch of datacenters together. That is expensive.

Google implied their supremacy over all of the world computers combined together.

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