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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Apple meanwhile created the entire OS and all of the developer APIs that your apps rely on, including things like Metal that games rely on. And Apple gives this all away for free.

That should be included in device cost. It is unacceptable that they prevent users who paid for the device from installing programs outside of apples walled garden

Console developers would like to have a word with you.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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I'm sorry but as a user, I trust my relationship with Apple more than I trust random third party devs. As a user, I want Apple to lock down the system and make things hard for developers. As a developer, I empathize with my perspective as a user and build products that take this into account.

I'm guessing this isn't what you meant, but the endgame of "Apple, please make things hard for developers" is there's no apps left for you to use that aren't made by Apple, because they made it too hard for developers. A balance has to be struck somewhere. Developers increasingly do not like where Apple is placing the balance (generally on the side of 'go screw yourself, time to rework your app for our latest guideli…

Large majority of Apple users do not need anything else than what Apple already made.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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I first check brew...

Yeah, this. MacOS is unusable without home-brew, especially cask. There is no greater feeling than knowing you can blow away your system disk, come back and re-install it, then add a "brew cask install .." stage to get all your apps installed automatically. If I had brew on iOS, I'd be more than happy. Alas, I don't want to jailbreak though ..

Maybe unusable for those that think macOS is GNU/Linux with a pretty UI.

I never installed any of those alternative UNIX toolchains. Apple SDK + native macOS tooling are more than enough.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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What about paying for compatibility with the latest macOS? Of course, no user would like to pay for that, but the reality of Apple universe is that developers have to spend a lot of time fixing compatibility issues caused by Apple.

What example do you have in mind? Compatibility updates ought to be free point releases.

1Password 6. After an upgrade of Safari the browser plugin was no longer compatible. Users had to upgrade to 1Password 7 for a single payment of €55 or a monthly subscription of €3,99 per month.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Sure, you could go back to 1996 and say the Nokia Communicator was the first smartphone. I think what he meant by "Apple created THE smartphone" is that Apple created the first mass-market smartphone which was desired by regular consumers (rather than niche buyers).

So Europeans and Asians using Symbian, J2ME and Docomo handsets weren't regular consumers?

Why are you pretending you don’t understand what he’s trying to say. Those aren’t phones most people have heard of, and when they did exist, living without them was easy.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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The reason Apple charges the 30% is probably partly because of the whole infrastructure and services needed for the app-store, and mostly Apple's desire to profit. The reason developers pay the 30% is probably because there's no other channel that offers access to such a huge market for free, and mostly because they still profit. Every app could be cheaper from the buyer's perspective. Maybe even yours. Should or wil…

> The reason developers pay the 30% is probably because there's no other channel that offers access to such a huge market for free, and mostly because they still profit. Because there's no choice you mean? When the developers have choice, on the Mac or on Windows, they generally avoid the store. The AppStore still works on mobile because they force it.

> on the Mac or on Windows

Let's look at something closer to this situation rather than general purpose computers. Mobiles work with different paradigms all around, especially when compared to Windows (or Linux).

There are free alternatives to Google's Play Store and yet developers still choose to pay Google's cut to have access to it. This tells me whatever benefits the "official" app store provides on each platform outweigh the disadvantages (costs) even when free alternatives are available.

> The AppStore still works on mobile because they force it.

Is there any solid reason to believe the AppStore only works because they force it, while seeing the Play Store work just fine even with free alternatives around? And users even go out of their way to get access to it.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Yeah, this. MacOS is unusable without home-brew, especially cask. There is no greater feeling than knowing you can blow away your system disk, come back and re-install it, then add a "brew cask install .." stage to get all your apps installed automatically. If I had brew on iOS, I'd be more than happy. Alas, I don't want to jailbreak though ..

Maybe unusable for those that think macOS is GNU/Linux with a pretty UI. I never installed any of those alternative UNIX toolchains. Apple SDK + native macOS tooling are more than enough.

>Maybe unusable for those that think macOS is GNU/Linux with a pretty UI.

This was the target of the WSL that Microsoft added to Windows. They won me. GNU/Linux with good UI, good software support and that doesn't break every month. It's like we're living in the future.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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post #153

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Maybe unusable for those that think macOS is GNU/Linux with a pretty UI. I never installed any of those alternative UNIX toolchains. Apple SDK + native macOS tooling are more than enough.

>Maybe unusable for those that think macOS is GNU/Linux with a pretty UI. This was the target of the WSL that Microsoft added to Windows. They won me. GNU/Linux with good UI, good software support and that doesn't break every month. It's like we're living in the future.

Yep, that is the main reason why WSL exists.

And as gateway drug into Azure as well, most likely.

I never had any use for SUA during all these years doing Windows development.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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I’ve also stopped “check[ing] weekly for new things”, but that’s because I don’t need any new things! Do you? I don’t have Instagram but I imagine it’s a bit like the App Store. I’m waiting somewhere. I’m bored. I know, I’ll check for a shiny thing. Oh, no shiny thing. That was disappointing. To compare, do you go to the internet regularly and check for new things? I don’t think this is the App Store’s fault. It’s no…

I mean "need" is subjective, I was trying to insinuate that I didn't know I 'needed' what was on offer until it was displayed in front of me. For (a good) instance of what I mean was Airmail. Standard mail on OSX was "good enough" but Airmail was just all around better (from a UX perspective) and the popularity of it made Apple turn their head. Another was 1password; before 1password I was using the macOS keychain, b…

Funnily enough, I started using Airmail a few months ago, and just today I've started moving back to Mail.app which is, indeed, good enough. In the end I found Airmail a little heavy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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post #150

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So Europeans and Asians using Symbian, J2ME and Docomo handsets weren't regular consumers?

Why are you pretending you don’t understand what he’s trying to say. Those aren’t phones most people have heard of, and when they did exist, living without them was easy.

Because everyone outside US have heard of them.

US was the only market where Nokia had troubles selling their Symbian/J2ME phones for example.

Should I start digging market shares figures of feature phones before iPhone came to be?

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