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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by frereubu »

marcuschristie wrote: post #287
frereubu wrote: post #74

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Don't want to rain on your parade, but this is a long way from being generally available: https://caniuse.com/#search=text-decoration-thickness 11% coverage, and almost all of that is iOS Safari.

It's coming to Chromium soon > We have plans to start implementation work on this before the end of the year. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=785230...

Thanks for the heads-up. That will make it worthwhile. It will be nice to drop the dirty border-bottom hacks.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by helb »

Qqqwxs wrote: post #317
kevincrane wrote: post #239

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Agreed to what everyone else said, but to me the killer feature of Firefox Sync is that you can send tabs from one browser to another, so I can find links on my work computer and ship them directly to my home computer or phone to read later, and they'll just show up when it syncs next.

I'm actually not sure if this is a native Chrome feature, but I can instantly send tabs to my other devices with right click > "send to your devices" > list of devices with a Google account signed in (Which is my phone and laptop for me on my desktop).

It's exactly the same in FF: https://i.vgy.me/vBP4rF.png

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Lio »

tylerhou wrote: post #274
Lio wrote: post #193

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There is also an argument that back in the day Firefox saved Google rather than the other way around. Why? Because when Microsoft had 90% browser share, gained through tying IE directly into Windows, there was a very real chance that they could have adapted IE so that it was harder to use Google than a default MS Bing search engine. Having a better, cross-platform alternative to IE allowed Google to stay in the game…

> "Windows ain't done until WordPerfect won't run" Source? All I can find is http://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_done... .

I think you’d find most of the court proceedings under Novell vs Microsoft.

If memory serves me correctly Novell believed in their case enough to take it to the US Supreme Court but were not given leave to proceed further. No reason/justification was given for that.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by helb »

w1nst0nsm1th wrote: post #355
Angeo34 wrote: post #327

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Maybe just don't watch videos inside your Browser. You know there's youtube-dl+mpv?

iina can ply youtube stream without pre-downloading them. You have also Picture in Picture following you on all desktop. iina is open source and have a lot of codec available. I don't know if it change something on energy consumption, though.

I don't know what iina is, but youtube-dl + mpv mentioned by Angeo34 does exactly that (stream videos without pre-downloading them). Youtube-dl just gets the stream URL and mpv plays it. And it's easy to use, just:

    mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Lio »

mkl wrote: post #273
Lio wrote: post #193

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There is also an argument that back in the day Firefox saved Google rather than the other way around. Why? Because when Microsoft had 90% browser share, gained through tying IE directly into Windows, there was a very real chance that they could have adapted IE so that it was harder to use Google than a default MS Bing search engine. Having a better, cross-platform alternative to IE allowed Google to stay in the game…

I'm not sure that adds up. When Bing was introduced in mid-2009, IE had about 60% of the market, and it was dropping fast as Chrome's popularity exploded [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#/m...

I believe that Microsoft’s interest in Google’s business predates the launch of Bing. You can replace the brand name “Bing” with “some kind of search/advertising/internet gateway” business.

Remember Microsoft used to be a very competitive outfit with a history of using their dominance of desktop OSs to enter new markets.

It’s easy to forget that Microsoft of old were able to keep bankrolling loss leaders to “cut off the oxygen”[1] of any market that they saw as threatening Windows.

[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/04/98/microso...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by icebraining »

jorvi wrote: post #197
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

Hence why I like Brave. Their model is very solid and seems a lot more sustainable than depending on Google as their overlord. Ads are voluntary, displayed as a system notification and vetted by Brave. Watch ads, you get tokens which pay publishers. If you don't want ads, you can buy tokens. If you don't want to buy tokens, you still won't see ads. And except for the first offer there is no nag screen either. I think…

> Their model is very solid and seems a lot more sustainable than depending on Google as their overlord

Brave also depends on Google as their overlord, it's just that the contribution is made in code instead of dollars. There's no evidence Brave could survive if Google changed that deal, whereas Firefox has already spent years independent from them.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by icebraining »

theonemind wrote: post #346
freddie_mercury wrote: post #335

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Classic HackerNews " This is so easy and I, a software developer with no actual experience in that area, know the obvious solution that eludes that hundreds of developers with actual experience in the area. Meanwhile, I take umbrage when my product manager tells me that implementing the next feature will be easy and I'm exaggerating how complicated it is."

Perhaps so. But, if (not_visible) { suspend_wait_and_stop_consuming_resources } I can imagine that it gets massively more complicated. However, as, say, an executive, this probably indicates that you can lean on your sw dev staff to approach the asymptotic ideal that looks so simple if you really care about the goal.

Of course, and all major browsers have background tab throttling features[1]. But there are multiple goals and limited dev time.

[1] E.g. Firefox added some in version 58: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Page_Visibi...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by rovr138 »

chenster wrote: post #348
needle0 wrote: post #336

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You’re still contributing to the Chromium engine monoculture, though.

Guess we are dealing with purists here. Mind you that Chromium is free and open-source just like MySQL. A strategical move by the community to fork MySQL to MariaDB to ensure it remained free and open from the tech giant after it was acquired by Oracle. How Brave is any different? It made a similar move. Some people hate crypto. Fine. Personally I've never used the Brave crypto. Perhaps FF 70 has completely fixed its…

The issue is the engine. There are few big engines out there and chromium is taking a lot of the market.

The issue with this is that they could start controlling the standards and everyone would have to follow behind instead of everyone working and doing what’s best for consumers.

While chromium is open source, that doesn’t mean they have to accept merges from the community. It only means that they have to provide the source code. Yes it can be forked, but now you have to maintain or develop your engine. If they’re the dominant ones and are setting standards, that won’t help much.

By using another one you are helping keep a neutral ground.

The difference between MySQL and MariaDB is that you have PostgreSQL, Oracle, SQLite, MSSQL among a bunch of others, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_relational_datab...

So the issue isn’t forking or not, but the fact that it’s still close enough that gives chromium the competitive edge and could kill the market.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by mippenhappen »

My main problem with Firefox is the audio modulation when you speed up sound.

I consume hours of video/audio content in my browser daily. Most of it I speed up to 2x, and in Firefox my ears are destroyed if I do that.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by xfitm3 »

sfink wrote: post #295
xfitm3 wrote: post #232

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Mozilla faced tremendous pressure from the media, Mitchell had no choice but to let him go. The public went on a witch hunt. It's your peers who did this, not Mozilla's chairman.

That seems about right, except for Mitchell's involvement. As I remember it, it was more Brendan's call than Mitchell's. She did not ask for his resignation. At least from what I heard, he decided that the backlash was doing too much damage to Mozilla and stepped down.

How do you think Brendan arrived at that decision? Of course you saw the public product of their conversations, it's natural to think that.
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