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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by innocentoldguy »

echelon wrote: post #65

The fact that we have to have humans look at our software before we can go to market in 2019 is absurd. I had high hopes for the future as a teen growing up with Napster, Bittorrent, IRC, Trillian/Pidgin, and an explosive WWW. Look at what a pinheaded mess everything has become. Greed destroyed the open and experimental Internet.

I don’t know if greed destroyed the open and experimental Internet. It has certainly helped shape it in both some good and some bad ways. I was in my 20s when the Internet became widely available. People published hard-copy yellow pages to help you find sites back then because there weren’t any good search engines. Animated GIFs would visually abuse your senses. 14.4k and later 28.8k modems were how most people watched the Internet slowly load in their browsers, Usenet clients, etc. I think things have gotten a lot better since then and entrepreneurship has driven most of those improvements.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by nembal »

As a long Time multi platform user I have to say sometimes Apple’s approach on centralized provisioning im thankful for the effort never to have to deal with buggy/suspicious apps.

On the other hand, no competition lead to a point where the Appstore became an authoritarian system where apple is free to play by the rules, or change them as it sees fit for it's bottom line.

Only judging Tho, never helped. What would be the consequences of an app store where - # alternative stores would be allowed like android # Apple would lover prices # regional pricing options # free updates for paid content # subscription for updates, distributed among apps user paid for already

Other ideas, comments are welcome.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by Illniyar »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #94
lilyball wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Painting this as "greed" is really quite ridiculous. Apple's 30% cut is completely orthogonal to their human review. The human review is to try and protect users and keep the app store a safe and trustworthy place to buy software. As with all human curation, there are problems, but on the whole it does keep the app store a remarkably safe place to acquire software. > I had high hopes for the future as a teen growing…

I remember when the App Stores first came online and everyone was fine to pay the 30% cut because before that, other retail channels were charging way more. Now the 30% is too much.

What? where? no one was charging fees for using channels because there were no channels other than direct marketing. (Unless you talking about actually selling a physical box in retail, which is completely different)

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by cameronbrown »

SyneRyder wrote: post #99
taurath wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Apple taking 30% of that... for what? Payment processing is a 4% thing. It’s in the app developers interest to make it not have errors. It’s just for access to the market. That is the only value Apple truly brings, outside of the brand and a privacy commitment

Considering Microsoft cut their percentage take to 5% on the Microsoft Store [1], it shows that Apple is really charging 30% just because developers keep letting them get away with it. [1] https://download.cnet.com/news/microsoft-store-slashes-reven...

That's because nobody uses the Microsoft Store.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by unityByFreedom »

echelon wrote: post #65

The fact that we have to have humans look at our software before we can go to market in 2019 is absurd. I had high hopes for the future as a teen growing up with Napster, Bittorrent, IRC, Trillian/Pidgin, and an explosive WWW. Look at what a pinheaded mess everything has become. Greed destroyed the open and experimental Internet.

Is it weird that I'm not comfortable installing apps on my phone that haven't been reviewed?

Phones seem much more personal to me than computers. They have our location and are able to interrupt many of us at any moment.

I'd love to see an easy to install and use open OS. I don't know who's incentivized to build that and maintain it.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by xhruso00 »

>disconnect from the users, which often simply post bad app reviews, or return the app instead of reaching out to developer for actually support and fixes This is so true. I am a dev and this is the most frustrating thing ever if you do freemium model. Yesterday I got reply from customer on the app store: "I DON'T have HOURS to look for free apps. You lie that you are FREE" PS: New Mac App Store has a label "Offers In-Apps" under button GET

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by wrboyce »

kzrdude wrote: post #95
lilyball wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Painting this as "greed" is really quite ridiculous. Apple's 30% cut is completely orthogonal to their human review. The human review is to try and protect users and keep the app store a safe and trustworthy place to buy software. As with all human curation, there are problems, but on the whole it does keep the app store a remarkably safe place to acquire software. > I had high hopes for the future as a teen growing…

The changes with the Save as dialog, how are they protecting the customer? It almost seems like they want to have creative control of the application, dictating how it should work. > often review rejected for text, images, random issues > random censorship of whatever Apple does not like

That’s a pretty disingenuous way to put it. Another phrasing could be “Apple enforcing their human interface guidelines”.

To borrow a phrase: haters gonna hate.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by jasonlfunk »

fit2rule wrote: post #82
nxpnsv wrote: post #24

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I first check brew...

Yeah, this. MacOS is unusable without home-brew, especially cask. There is no greater feeling than knowing you can blow away your system disk, come back and re-install it, then add a "brew cask install .." stage to get all your apps installed automatically. If I had brew on iOS, I'd be more than happy. Alas, I don't want to jailbreak though ..

Unusable for you, maybe. But I'm sure the majority of people use MacOS without homebrew and find it perfectly usable for their use cases.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by close04 »

ramraj07 wrote: post #74
lilyball wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Painting this as "greed" is really quite ridiculous. Apple's 30% cut is completely orthogonal to their human review. The human review is to try and protect users and keep the app store a safe and trustworthy place to buy software. As with all human curation, there are problems, but on the whole it does keep the app store a remarkably safe place to acquire software. > I had high hopes for the future as a teen growing…

If the human review is the reason for the 30% cut why not charge a flat fee per review? I doubt that's the reason for their cut.

The reason Apple charges the 30% is probably partly because of the whole infrastructure and services needed for the app-store, and mostly Apple's desire to profit.

The reason developers pay the 30% is probably because there's no other channel that offers access to such a huge market for free, and mostly because they still profit.

Every app could be cheaper from the buyer's perspective. Maybe even yours. Should or will they be cheaper? Probably not. The best price is the one everyone complains about but are still willing to pay.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by xhruso00 »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #85
dijit wrote: post #7

Actually; now that I think about it, from a user perspective I also really dislike the App Store. I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things, maybe there was some new shiny (often beautiful) program to do something really well. The experience was on the 'better than passable' side, nobodies favourite interface maybe, but certainly not terrible. But I actually avoid the App Store these days, both on MacO…

In the past when I looked for a new app I went to the app store. But now since I'm on an older version of MacOS and very few app store apps run on any but the latest release of MacOS, I don't bother. I find the apps I need by googling. Edit: This implies there are a lot of great apps that don't get my money because they only sell on the app store. Looking at you Pixelmator.

This is very hard. Supporting API + UI changes is not easy. Microsoft is not doing it (Skype etc) so why should small teams do it. We don't just program we run BUSINESS.
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