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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by dkonofalski »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #203
dkonofalski wrote: post #15

That reads less like a reasonable, well-thought breakdown and more like a whiny diatribe coming from an entitled teenager. If the entire argument boils down to "I don't wanna!", then what's the point? Don't upgrade. Apple isn't forcing anyone to upgrade at all. If you need to run all your old software, don't upgrade. That's not a fault of the new OS. Technology changes. That's a fact of life. Even the example of Aper…

I think you just came here to tell OP that he's wrong for having different priorities than you do.

It's not a matter of different priorities. It's a matter of accurate vs. inaccurate.

And, for someone complaining about that, you sure didn't do much more than come here and tell me that I'm wrong for having different priorities without any of the follow-through that I did to, at the very least, explain my thoughts. You haven't even done that.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by graeme »

audunw wrote: post #235
teekert wrote: post #205

My father feels the same, he initially started using apple because he felt his Windows machine was using too much of his time for bs. Now he just upgraded to Catalina and Photos stopped working with this Synology based library, even I, a computer nerd, have already spend an hour at the problem. We are about done. I feel that Windows 10 would be just fine for him (or maybe I can get him sold on Ubuntu). Where pictures…

> Where pictures are simply in folders and any backup program will just sync them anywhere. That's how I organize photos on Mac OS. You don't have to use the Photos app. Periodically I dump all the photos from my phone and other devices and sort them in folders by year (and sometimes sub-folders for vacations and other big events). I only use Photos to get at the pictures from my phone if I need to look at them befor…

How do you view them? I'm on Mac, and have found the photo viewing experience much worse than it was on windows.

Generally slower to browse and open previews.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by dkonofalski »

philwelch wrote: post #206
dkonofalski wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your point is? I've already acknowledged that. I'm pointing out that a disappointment for their individual situation doesn't indicate that the update is a failure nor does it warrant what they've written.

What's your point? For someone who's entire argument is just to accuse people of being whiny and entitled, you're being particularly whiny and entitled when it comes to other people having different opinions than you.

Where am I being whiny and entitled in any of my responses? I have no issue at all with people having different opinions. My issue is when their complaints don't line up with what they're saying. Namely, that their choice in preference is a failure with Catalina rather than simply something that doesn't fit their need. That distinction doesn't make Catalina a failure or controversial.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by dkonofalski »

johnisgood wrote: post #139
dkonofalski wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your point is? I've already acknowledged that. I'm pointing out that a disappointment for their individual situation doesn't indicate that the update is a failure nor does it warrant what they've written.

It is a problem for them, and they express it. What do you think is wrong with that? Not being able to run 32-bit applications is a deal-breaker for many people. The update is a failure for them for this or many other reasons. It might not affect you, and that is fine, but it does affect other people and it is a perfectly valid concern that they could voice. Why are you so against them voicing their problems with the…

>it does affect other people and it is a perfectly valid concern

It most certainly does not affect them if they don't choose to update. That's exactly my issue with this whole thread. You're all straw-manning my response as if my complaint is with the person's desire to write an article about their opinion. That's not my issue. My issue is with the fact that their complaint doesn't line up with the statements they've made in the article and the fact that they're treating an optional update as some kind of requirement that points to a fault in the OS.

And, frankly, I think your statement about reeking of "fanpersonism" is unfair considering that the only time the site in question has ever posted to HN is to complain about Apple and/or their products. That, to me, is fanpersonism.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by dkonofalski »

austhrow743 wrote: post #187
lilyball wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a few paragraphs, got the same impression, and closed it, because the author admitted they're using practically none of the Apple ecosystem and therefore have already discounted the overwhelming majority of the improvements in Catalina. It's certainly disingenuous to have a clickbait headline "Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it's worth" when it's missing "as explained by someone who doesn't use music, photo…

I don't think it's disingenuous when it's a personal blog, which comes with an inherent "for my particular use case". The problem is when that context is stripped away by aggregation sites like this one where tons of articles we read are from publishers and the expectation might be that the author did some research, tried different things, and was trying to write from a more objective or all encompassing view point.…

Maybe this is why all my posts are being downvoted, then. I obviously missed the boat on the whole "personal blog" thing. When I think of a personal blog, I think that the person is writing their personal opinion about something that they've concluded in good faith. This article, specifically, doesn't seem like it was written in good faith to me and so, as a result, comes off as nothing but complaining for the sake of complaining. I'm not asking for anyone to prevent people from complaining but I just don't think it has any value when even the complaints come from an inherently biased place that doesn't even acknowledge its bias.

I'm only saying this because I updated to Catalina without going through the betas first and I haven't had any issues whatsoever. To read something like this that is so negative about it seems like astroturfing or manipulation, especially when the only articles this website has ever posted on HN are all critical of Apple.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by dkonofalski »

kevingadd wrote: post #107
Bud wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did? 32-bit apps continued to be supported for a full decade after the hardware architecture went 64-bit. During that entire decade, Apple issued steadily-increasing warnings to users that eventually, the 32-bit support would cease. Seems like a smooth transition to me.

How does it count as a transition if everything just breaks? Them giving you warning doesn't make it a transition, it's just an EOL with advanced notice. A transition implies that you're moving from one working state to another, or replacing the old thing with a new one. How am I supposed to replace unmaintained/old software when there's no new 64-bit, notarized version of it?

>How am I supposed to replace unmaintained/old software

You're not supposed to. The fault lies with the developers of these apps that knew the change was coming and didn't do anything about it.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by dkonofalski »

markmark wrote: post #188
renaudg wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. This should be the top comment for every Catalina rant posted here.

As a user, why would I care how inconvenient it is for a trillion dollar company to support their software?

It's not their software that's breaking. It's software that hasn't been updated that's breaking.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by alwillis »

mihaaly wrote: post #207
jwr wrote: post #184

I fully agree with the author, and I am also worried about how Apple treats its users. And I am also an abandoned Aperture user, with huge libraries full of organized albums with non-destructive edits. I still do not know what to do about that. Having read most of the comments, I got the impression that you could correlate them with age. Younger people are all "Catalina works for me! Progress! Change is necessary! Wh…

In my young ages I was hungry for new technology, learning and adapting the progress, experimenting. Nowadays I am for something that works and can be used for what I need. Apple is good in the first, and gives no f* about the second. Their products - including hardware - is for the young. I think I am going to accept that and 'adapt mindset' to this premise as an ultimate step of not 'resisting change'. (I already g…

I don't think their products are for the young.

Short answer: I'm definitely not young—I started on an Apple II in high school.

I do keep my software current and pay attention to things. I lived through 68000 -> PowerPC -> Intel, so I know how this goes.

I've been running Catalina since the late betas and haven't experienced the issues others have, other than my old Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad not working with Catalina, which is kinda annoying, since I really like the extra keys, etc. instead of the Bluetooth keyboard that came with the iMac.

Know what I did?

I submitted a bug report to Apple.

There's no doubt that Catalina (and iOS 13 for that matter) are more buggy than recent past upgrades, which is not good.

I don't think it's Apple not caring; I think they're trying to do a whole lot with overlapping groups. If the rumors are true and there's a 16-inch MacBook Pro about to come out and ARM Macs will likely become a thing in 2020, I suspect a lot of engineers are juggling multiple projects across multiple groups and this is the result.

I also switched to Zsh before I upgraded so I'd have my config all set before hand. So far, so good. And thank goodness for Homebrew and how quickly it had Catalina-compatible packages ready to go.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by c256 »

sneak wrote: post #271
skohan wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the same situation with Aperture. It's not only a problem because of the issue you describe with losing the product of my prior work, but it's not clear what the migration target would be. The most obvious alternative is Lightroom, but this would mean trading a tool I have been using happily for free for 7 years for a 20EUR/month subscription service I would have to maintain the rest of my digital life. My cur…

You can always just pirate Lightroom (LR Classic, that is—the non-cloud-dependent one). It’s not particularly difficult, and sidesteps the subscription lock-in nicely.

The article mentions that the author tried Lightroom, twice, in case the newer version was a better fit.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by arvinsim »

rimliu wrote: post #196
jwr wrote: post #184

I fully agree with the author, and I am also worried about how Apple treats its users. And I am also an abandoned Aperture user, with huge libraries full of organized albums with non-destructive edits. I still do not know what to do about that. Having read most of the comments, I got the impression that you could correlate them with age. Younger people are all "Catalina works for me! Progress! Change is necessary! Wh…

I doubt you could count me someone from the younger generation. My experience with computers started with DOS. I Have been Mac user since 2006. Catalina works fine for me. I was also Aperture user. And then Lightroom user. And now I am Capture One user.

Just an aside, I also quit Lightroom because I don't want to be tied to a subscription. Since I have a Sony Camera, I am currently testing Capture One Express.

How does the Capture One Pro version work for you?

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