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“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not at all a counterpoint. This review basically says "We need more data" and says the reason not to draw conclusions yet is that we don't even know how much exposure we experience in daily life.

They cite some issues with the study. One of them is that the confidence intervals don't seem to add up and the incidence numbers don't look like the general populace for the control group.

I skimmed the article (it's quite long) found the criticisms weak.

> No data published; for Szmigielski (1996) it is implied that there were two to three brain tumors in the exposed group, in which case we imply that the 95% CI for brain tumor is incorrect.

> Several of these studies did not follow workers after they left the job of interest (Garland et al. 1990; Grayson 1996; Szmigielski 1996), with the potential for bias if individuals left employment because of health problems that later turned out to be due to cancer; this might especially be a problem for some types of brain tumor, which can be present for long periods before diagnosis.

The above two criticisms are only regarding the brain tumor incidence data, which is not the most significant finding in the paper.

> “Expected” rates in Szmigielski (1996) paper appear to be incorrect, according to the Royal Society of Canada (1999).

Link is broken, and why Canadian cancer incidence rates are assumed to be equal to Polish ones is not explained.

> Significant excesses were reported for several cancer sites not seen in other studies, and for cancer overall, suggesting possible bias.

Not sure why reporting what you found suggests that you're biased, but okay.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#592
post #47

Interestingly, this is apparently a story that a lot of Russian troll farms are pushing hard at the moment.

Any source on this? This story links to sources and is written by: "Joel M. Moskowitz, PhD, is director of the Center for Family and Community Health in the School of Public Health at the University of California, Berkeley. He has been translating and disseminating the research on wireless radiation health effects since 2009 after he and his colleagues published a review paper that found long-term cell phone users we…

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/science/5g-phone-safety-h... https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/13/nyt-russia-is-attacking-5... https://fudzilla.com/news/48674-russian-trolls-behind-anti-5...

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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post #31

Interestingly, this is apparently a story that a lot of Russian troll farms are pushing hard at the moment.

Source? I would like to keep up on that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/science/5g-phone-safety-h... https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/13/nyt-russia-is-attacking-5... https://fudzilla.com/news/48674-russian-trolls-behind-anti-5...

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#594

Interestingly, this is apparently a story that a lot of Russian troll farms are pushing hard at the moment.

Yeah I'd like a source too, I'm very excited to see this Russian troll farm everybody has been speaking of lately.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/science/5g-phone-safety-h... https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/13/nyt-russia-is-attacking-5... https://fudzilla.com/news/48674-russian-trolls-behind-anti-5...

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not do the study? The phycologists have and they realized their field of study was built on sand. No amount of meta-analysis will fix that.

Phycology, the study of seaweed, is indeed all on top of sand! ;)

haha, good catch. ill keep it there

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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post #491

This thread would be much shorter if someone had read this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26151230

Or not if someone would read this https://www.rrjournal.org/doi/abs/10.1667/RR3251

Perhaps you don't appreciate how a review looking at 100 different setups & methods and 93 of those all arriving at the same endpoint (RF leads to oxidative stress) represents FAR stronger evidence than a single study showing the opposite under very specific conditions.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#597
post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US there is usually a discount on houses bordering those. So the market sees a small difference.

The market is happy to sustain homeopathy and fake Faraday cages for your microwave-based electric and gas meters. Radium used to fetch a high price for its health "benefits"...

I am not sure pointing to random cons for sale on the marketplace really changes the fact that if high voltage power lines are next to your house, it is worth less.

If nothing else, it looks ugly.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#598
post #449

I'm amazed that I scanned a bunch of comments and it seems like no one read the article and noticed that it's not actually a proper SciAm article, just an Op-Ed. Let me repeat, this is not a proper SciAm article in which some actual academics condense their interesting research into something more easily understood by people outside the field. This is an Op-Ed. It's an opinion. And more specifically, it's an opinion…

> it's an opinion from someone who is most certainly not unbiased.

What on earth do you think an "opinion" is?

Can you give an example of an unbiased opinion?

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

#599
post #92

I feel EMF from WiFi/LTE with my head. Someone wants to study me? As soon as there is a high-bandwidth transmitter very close to me - headache comes in seconds. I've done blind tests holding non-remitting iPad or the one streaming 1080p movies at high bitrate and easily able to tell when there is no radiation.

This is called Hypochondria.

Right? Because electromagnetic radiation obviously doesn't interact with biological matter.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus correlation is not causation.

Correlation is not an excuse to completely ignore findings either. As the original study said: more data/analysis is needed.

Never implied that. The study of radar operators in the military specifically states that the cancer could be caused by anything, calling out industrial solvents often used when servicing radar equipment. But the “5G is cancer” people use the study to support their claim that millimetre saves cause cancer.
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