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Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by pluc »

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

I lived in Germany for a bit and Deepl is what everyone recommended over Google for professional translation. Google is great to figure out how to ask for your schnitzel at the shop, but Deepl is for when you want to make a deal.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by eyegor »

needle0 wrote: post #63
mantap wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks useful but the lack of non-European languages makes me slightly suspicious, I wonder if their approach generalises to Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

Perhaps I'm too jaded, but it comes off to me as copping out of the truly difficult ones!

If you know of a good source for large piles of docs that have been accurately/naturally translated eng/ch/jp, I'm sure deepl would be interested. As another poster pointed out, any deep learning NLP project boils down to quantity+quality of data. I'm assuming adversarial approaches don't work well in this context but I'm not very familiar with nlp research.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by lucb1e »

pluc wrote: post #91
amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

I lived in Germany for a bit and Deepl is what everyone recommended over Google for professional translation. Google is great to figure out how to ask for your schnitzel at the shop, but Deepl is for when you want to make a deal.

Another Luc here that lives in Germany since a bit (yes, I know you said "for a bit") and recommends Deepl to everyone over Google :D

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by jen_h »

est31 wrote: post #5

Before you say that Google has world-class ML engineers and Mozilla doesn't even have a chance of competing, consider that the quality of the startup deepl's translator is comparable and possibly even better to the quality of giants like Google or Microsoft. So this seems like one of those problems where small companies can still be competing with GAFAM-scale ones.

So much of machine translation is the quality of your parallel corpus and your preprocessing. I've got a theory that Google actually has too much data, and maybe too much imperfect data. Also, Deepl came out of Linguee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguee), who appear to have a massive number of parallel texts...I really believe whoever who has the (well-curated) texts has the (NMT) world.

As an aside, I don't know who needs to know this, but we are really lucky right now in that we now have tools that enable pretty much anyone to train a language model and translate with it, not just giant or small companies. It's not necessarily going to be any good, but the tools are all right there for us plebes and it's pretty fun.

I pulled together a tutorial just this weekend walking through doing this on Google Colab (https://sevenminuteserver.com/post/2019-10-17-machine-transl...) and EC2 Spot instances (https://sevenminuteserver.com/post/2019-10-17-machine-transl...) if anyone wants to play around with it.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by [deleted] »

distances wrote: post #28
amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

> So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. In my experience Deepl is consistently, without fail, considerably better than Google Translate. I basically use Google now only for more exotic language pairs, or full-page translations.

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Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by subandi »

distances wrote: post #28
amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

> So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. In my experience Deepl is consistently, without fail, considerably better than Google Translate. I basically use Google now only for more exotic language pairs, or full-page translations.

It's way off 'never off', I work with colleagues who use it en de.

For example it will always translate 'order' in a sentence as 'Befehl' (I order you to fix a steak) instead of 'Bestellung' (I order a steak).

Both are correct, but completely different, and in our context we never mean the former.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by edjroot »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #75
distances wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. In my experience Deepl is consistently, without fail, considerably better than Google Translate. I basically use Google now only for more exotic language pairs, or full-page translations.

> more exotic language pairs I've found that sometimes what Google does for these is translate from Language A > English, and then English > Language B, which leads to bizarre results.

Since we're complaining about Google Translate, I'd like to mention how ridiculous their "verified translation" system is. It works by throwing automatic translations at people who, in their majority, have never studied English, and expecting them to tell whether it's right or wrong, but what happens is that most just confirm whatever they get as being correct. As a result, at least for Portuguese, many of them, if not most, are just plain wrong.

Considering Translate is such an important product, I can't fathom why they just don't hire a single linguist (or just anyone who isn't completely clueless, really) per language to register decent translations, or at least import them from a real dictionary...

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by saturn_vk »

fimdomeio wrote: post #82

When implementing this please take into account that sometimes people are ok with reading content in another language. I don't use chrome that much so maybe it's a configuration thing I never looked into, but the nagging bar asking me if I want to translate every single english page is very annoying. Not a native english speaker but confortable enough to never need the page translated.

There's already an "Never for [this site|Language]" option in the translation bar
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