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Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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A high bandwidth dynamically directed laser-based mesh network of 12k-42k tiny satellites 340 km above the earth is a pretty ballsy concept to begin with. I'm curious about who came up with this idea. It's kind of brilliant.

Arthur C. Clarke, in a way. http://lakdiva.org/clarke/1945ww/

Sure, we owe Clarke a great deal of gratitude for that (the concept of the geostationary satellite 35k km from earth, from way back in 1945!), but this is something else and new.

Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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Pretty neat. I guess they could vendor out to Google. GCP Spanner relies on reliable low ping fiber between zones so this might be a clear throughput win for them.

A high bandwidth dynamically directed laser-based mesh network of 12k-42k tiny satellites 340 km above the earth is a pretty ballsy concept to begin with. I'm curious about who came up with this idea. It's kind of brilliant.

It follows pretty logically from any kind of work in the wireless business. There’s a very direct correlation between transmitter altitude, and how likely it is that the transmitter will be able to connect to any given client. It follows that the best transmitter is one that is in space, which is why communications were one of the first commercial uses of satellites.

Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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Distance is still a huge problem. The Starlink signal still needs to travel up to the satellites 500 KM up, and then another 500 KM back down. That should be around 2 ms (thanks user jobseeker990, corrected from previous 15ms) of added latency, so anything that is already below 4 ms of latency probably wouldn't be improved.

Light travels 1000km in under 4ms. What else are you adding to that time?

That's true in vacuum. Light traveling through a medium has to reflect off of or absorb/re-emit from everything it bumps into, so it goes slower.

Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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No. Starlink will follow all local laws, including licensing the bandwidth they are using. They are not going to run a pirate internet network. Due to complications in US laws, this actually means that Starlink cannot directly offer service in much of the world, instead having to let a local company resell access. (Because SpaceX as a US company cannot do certain kinds of filtering without running afoul of US laws.)

How do the satellites know the precise location of the client? Wouldn't it possible to buy a subscription in one country and go use it in another country?

Well, if you are going to demand payment of the service you need to be able to ID each client, so just apply filtering according to the rules for the country of that user.

Also, you presumably keep track of where your antenna is pointing anyway.

Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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Why not just use any of the number of existing satellite telecoms providers?

I do. I have a Garmin inReach, and it helps. But it takes ~5 minutes for one exchange of a text message. It's not enough to diagnose and fix a complex problem remotely.

Iridium Certus is something that may be an option. Their new constellation just recently came online. I am uncertain of end device availability/support though.

Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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This is an amazing time to be alive. Starlink opens up bandwidth potential and global service reliability to bring completely new business models and capabilities. There is no more edge for trading on fiber under the ocean wires either (It seems so to me at least).

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I'm really excited about this technology for selfish reasons. I love disconnecting and spending time in remote wildernesses. But paradoxically, being disconnected from technology gives me a lot of anxiety about technology. Working on devops roles over the last decade, I've almost never had a time when I can just forget about it all. Even when I'm not on call, and no matter how well I try to document things, I'm often…

Unless you want to keep living that way I would highly recommend to do hard disconnects from time to time. From my experience there will be a short disruption but then other people will step up and overall things will keep working nicely. You may also get seriously sick one day and then things will get forced too.

I have had a lot of times when I thought I was indispensable but things were just fine without me. This can be liberating because you can now focus on other things and don’t get stuck with the same stuff.

Re: Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet

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No. Starlink will follow all local laws, including licensing the bandwidth they are using. They are not going to run a pirate internet network. Due to complications in US laws, this actually means that Starlink cannot directly offer service in much of the world, instead having to let a local company resell access. (Because SpaceX as a US company cannot do certain kinds of filtering without running afoul of US laws.)

How do the satellites know the precise location of the client? Wouldn't it possible to buy a subscription in one country and go use it in another country?

Starlink animations depict each sat servicing a narrow cone below. Remember, these operate much closer to the ground than geosynchronous; they'll have a much better idea where the client is than just which hemisphere.

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Why not just use any of the number of existing satellite telecoms providers?

I do. I have a Garmin inReach, and it helps. But it takes ~5 minutes for one exchange of a text message. It's not enough to diagnose and fix a complex problem remotely.

Why not use a standard satellite phone instead? Rates are reasonable and in the $2/minute range. Your use case sounds like it's easy to justify that.

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How do the satellites know the precise location of the client? Wouldn't it possible to buy a subscription in one country and go use it in another country?

Well, if you are going to demand payment of the service you need to be able to ID each client, so just apply filtering according to the rules for the country of that user. Also, you presumably keep track of where your antenna is pointing anyway.

See, this is very easy to overcome. In Eastern Europe, the mafia will start a re-sell operation by opening an account to every single babushka and smuggling the devices alongside with the contraband cigarettes.

I find it very interesting because the governments see the control(or lack of) of the internet as an existential issue.

I am hoping for a censor-fee internet but I don't believe that it's possible. Someone will blow up these satellites if anyone happens to create a free(as in freedom) global communication network.

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