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Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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> They don't get "provided" value simply by hiring you This might be a dialectual/regional difference, but the word, at least to me, means something along the lines of "gain access to." If a value is a perceived benefit of a good or service, then "gaining access to a resource through hiring" is semantically the same as "the value they are provided in hiring you." This really isn't an ideological argument I'm providin…

Let's go over this again. I stated: >Value is subjective. If I value my free time at $20 an hour, and you value my labor at $40 an hour, we will be able to come to an agreement where you pay me $30 an hour, and we will both benefit according to our subjective perception of value. You responded with: >This is the price, not value. Value is the benefit provided to an economic agent from a good or service, whereas price…

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Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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> They don't get "provided" value simply by hiring you This might be a dialectual/regional difference, but the word, at least to me, means something along the lines of "gain access to." If a value is a perceived benefit of a good or service, then "gaining access to a resource through hiring" is semantically the same as "the value they are provided in hiring you." This really isn't an ideological argument I'm providin…

Let's go over this again. I stated: >Value is subjective. If I value my free time at $20 an hour, and you value my labor at $40 an hour, we will be able to come to an agreement where you pay me $30 an hour, and we will both benefit according to our subjective perception of value. You responded with: >This is the price, not value. Value is the benefit provided to an economic agent from a good or service, whereas price…

>The overlooking of the value that their capital provided is a classic oversight of Marxists.

this fundamental concept is called constant capital and it is of course introduced in the opening chapters of capital vol 1

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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arguably the russian revolution would have failed without trotsky's ingenious tactics

There is nothing ingenious or intellectually redeeming about using brutality and deceit to gain power. That's all people like Adolf Hitler and Leon Trotsky did. They betrayed humanity and the culture of humanitarianism that had been built up for millenia before them to gain an advantage. Mass murderers who traded the moral foundations of their civilization for tactical and strategic advantage are intellectual midgets…

Somebody can be both terrible and intellectual/clever.

Do not mistake intellectual with moral, empathetic, or good.

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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Profit isn't surplus value generated by the worker that has been appropriated by the employer. Value is not an objective property that employers are attaining for below its true value to earn a profit. Value is subjective. If I value my free time at $20 an hour, and you value my labor at $40 an hour, we will be able to come to an agreement where you pay me $30 an hour, and we will both benefit according to our subjec…

Formalizing it in terms of the value of free time is not wrong, but it seems rather unhelpful. For most people, the amount of time they spend working is not very elastic, so it's more of a question of where they can sell a fixed amount of working time for the highest price (wage), and what that price is. In a perfectly competitive market, the highest wage would approximate the value the employer derives for the work,…

>>But real markets tend to be far from perfectly competitive. Depending on how hard it is to switch jobs, which is affected by factors like the level of demand by other employers for the same type of work, and the difficulty of retraining for other types of work, the employer may have a semi-monopsony status, in which case the wage may be far below the value the employer derives.

Of course real-world economies are highly chaotic/complex and are going to deviate from simple economic models, with numerous outliers that don't adhere to what would be seen in the assumptions of a perfectly efficient/competitive market that exists in economic model, but that is no justification for crude cookie cutter interventions that introduce systemtic distortions.

There is no reason to assume the distortions that exist in an ostensibly free market will generally push wages to below their market rate. They are just as likely to push it above. The most reasonable assumption that the distortions that push it above market wages balance the ones that push it below, resulting in average mostly aligning with the true market wage.

In the absence of definitive evidence either way, we should opt to trust basic economic theories and respect free market rules, and not actively intoduce laws that blatantly restrict contracting rights in the hope that these new distortions will counter-act some hypothesized imbalance of distortion that exists at labor's expense. These remediative rules are just as likely to exasperate existing distortions as they are to counter them, while introducing a host of new distortions that would otherwise not be present.

>>For that reason, unions and minimum wage laws, among other things, can often create higher wages without driving employers out of business (though not always).

The wage gains are not a free lunch. It comes at some cost. And that cost can include more than employers being driven out of business, though as we saw in the 50s through 70s in the US, that was often the outcome of unions getting a strangehold over major industries.

The fact is, it's impossible to measure the impact of every intervention in a large economy, whether it be rent control, minimum wage, or giving unions a monopoly over a company's negotiation and hiring decisions. In the absence of definitive evidence of the impact of any given proposed intervention, we should opt to trust economic theories that say price floors/caps create and obstructions of contracting rights create economic deadweight losses.

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

arguably the russian revolution would have failed without trotsky's ingenious tactics

There is nothing ingenious or intellectually redeeming about using brutality and deceit to gain power. That's all people like Adolf Hitler and Leon Trotsky did. They betrayed humanity and the culture of humanitarianism that had been built up for millenia before them to gain an advantage. Mass murderers who traded the moral foundations of their civilization for tactical and strategic advantage are intellectual midgets…

so napoleon wasn't ingenious either? what about sun tzu's art of war? does it have zero ingenuity too?

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

arguably the russian revolution would have failed without trotsky's ingenious tactics

There is nothing ingenious or intellectually redeeming about using brutality and deceit to gain power. That's all people like Adolf Hitler and Leon Trotsky did. They betrayed humanity and the culture of humanitarianism that had been built up for millenia before them to gain an advantage. Mass murderers who traded the moral foundations of their civilization for tactical and strategic advantage are intellectual midgets…

do you prefer trotsky's nemesis stalin?

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing ingenious or intellectually redeeming about using brutality and deceit to gain power. That's all people like Adolf Hitler and Leon Trotsky did. They betrayed humanity and the culture of humanitarianism that had been built up for millenia before them to gain an advantage. Mass murderers who traded the moral foundations of their civilization for tactical and strategic advantage are intellectual midgets…

so napoleon wasn't ingenious either? what about sun tzu's art of war? does it have zero ingenuity too?

The Art Of War emphasised winning without fighting wherever possible. So not really comparable.

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing ingenious or intellectually redeeming about using brutality and deceit to gain power. That's all people like Adolf Hitler and Leon Trotsky did. They betrayed humanity and the culture of humanitarianism that had been built up for millenia before them to gain an advantage. Mass murderers who traded the moral foundations of their civilization for tactical and strategic advantage are intellectual midgets…

do you prefer trotsky's nemesis stalin?

Is it ok to think that both were mass murderers?

Re: Mexico’s Attempt to Save Freud from the Nazis

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post #25

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so napoleon wasn't ingenious either? what about sun tzu's art of war? does it have zero ingenuity too?

The Art Of War emphasised winning without fighting wherever possible. So not really comparable.

so did trotsky, he preferred infiltration to fighting
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