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Trains reach record speed in Beijing-Zhangjiakou test run

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Re: Trains reach record speed in Beijing-Zhangjiakou test run

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salty_biscuits wrote: post #26
raaaaraaaa2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's impressive. Major improvement would be if all travelers in chinese trains would use headphones if they want to listen music or play games. Personally I love silence in Japanese trains - everybody is polite and silent.

Polite and silent is good, but it is awful if you end up in a smoking carriage, they are horrible. I think they will be going away soon though.

All high-speed trains in China are entirely non-smoking. Once or twice I've seen someone light up near the doors, away from the seats, and it's been dealt with fairly harshly by the train staff.

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Post by kuschku »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #6

> the line is expected to be the world's first autonomous, driver-monitored railway. I wonder what this will look like to the driver. I'm imagining the train displaying it's intended actions, but I wonder if the driver has to acknowledge anything at all?

such lines already exist for slower-speed connections, and if you’ve ever seen a subway or train which uses LZB in certain sections, you’ll see that the driver only has to handle opening/closing the doors for passengers, if anything at all.

Re: Trains reach record speed in Beijing-Zhangjiakou test run

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Post by kuschku »

nnq wrote: post #7

> 10 percent higher than the designed speed ...wasn't smth like "doing research on a live production system to get X% higher than designed output" what the Cernobil engineers were trying to do? Hope their sticking to trains with this mindset and not generalizing it to more dangerous industries :| Anyway, at least electric trains are the kind of technology that will benefit everyone when it gets exported, so yey!

> Anyway, at least electric trains are the kind of technology that will benefit everyone when it gets exported, so yey!

It’s not like this is new tech — they’re using trains built in a joint venture by Siemens (EDIT: apparently, they’re now building trains based on the same technology themselves), and the top speed China is trying to reach is 385km/h, unsurprisingly the top speed of the exact same model Siemens sells elsewhere.

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Post by robjan »

Stevvo wrote: post #16
_trampeltier wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will travel (with passenger) with 385km/h. That would be a new record. Until now the fastest travel with 350km/h. But of course the "top speed" without passenger is much much higher.

I think this speed is just for headlines, morjority of trains on the line run at 250km/h, because it's a lot cheaper than running them at 350km/h.

Sounds about right. The Shanghai maglev works this way, as an example, travelling at 430kph a few times per day then 300kph the rest: http://www.smtdc.com/en/jszl1_2.html

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Post by ilamont »

dustinmoris wrote: post #9

When I travelled to China for the first time I've spent one month there travelling across the entire country via their highspeed train network. It's amazing, all major places are so well connected and the trains are really cheap, offer 1st, 2nd, 3rd and business class acommodating all various budgets and comfort styles and they run really smoothly and are amazingly on time! After departure it doesn't take more than a…

I really love how people live there in increasingly better conditions and not only outpacing other countries economically, but also making huge efforts in creating a fair, enjoyable and sociable environment for everyone.

Curious if you visited any Tibetan areas (Tibet proper or Amdo) and talked with the people there and how fair the system is for them.

Or Xinjiang, where most of the PRC's Uighur's live. This article shows some of them using the train system, too -- as they are led away blindfolded and in shackles: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-...

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

_-___________-_ wrote: post #28
hos234 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't make much sense to hook up Europe the same way because the population density in most parts of the map is no where close to China. Compare it with India and you will see the same number of stations/trains/bus routes all subsidized and dirt cheap (compared to Europe), but far below in any other standard (naturally because they are poorer).

First class in the best long-distance Indian trains is really quite comfortable. Beds are standard, whereas sleeper trains are disappearing in Europe, and you can use an app to order a meal for a certain time, which will be brought on board to you from a nearby restaurant at the appropriate station!

Beds are standard because Indian trains are excruciatingly slow. An "express" train is one that manages 36 km/h (!) excluding stops, while a "superfast" blazes along at 55 km/h. Not a single train in the country cracks 100 km/h as an average operating speed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_trains_in_India

The Chinese train in the article is thus literally 10x faster than an Indian express. There's finally some work happening on India's first bullet train, Mumbai to Ahmedabad, but even the most optimistic projections don't see it open before 2023.

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Post by jayalpha »

kuschku wrote: post #33
nnq wrote: post #7

> 10 percent higher than the designed speed ...wasn't smth like "doing research on a live production system to get X% higher than designed output" what the Cernobil engineers were trying to do? Hope their sticking to trains with this mindset and not generalizing it to more dangerous industries :| Anyway, at least electric trains are the kind of technology that will benefit everyone when it gets exported, so yey!

> Anyway, at least electric trains are the kind of technology that will benefit everyone when it gets exported, so yey! It’s not like this is new tech — they’re using trains built in a joint venture by Siemens (EDIT: apparently, they’re now building trains based on the same technology themselves), and the top speed China is trying to reach is 385km/h, unsurprisingly the top speed of the exact same model Siemens sells…

I don't think the Chinese would like this if you say they are selling "Siemens trains".

They claim to have developed the technology further. The joint ventures were terminated after the technology transfer.

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Post by mason55 »

sdwa wrote: post #30
_-___________-_ wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived and worked in China for several years recently, and continuing to regularly visit, I agree with almost everything you said except for the "huge efforts in creating a fair [...] system for everyone". I saw no evidence of any such effort to create a fair system. For example, China's rule of law is effectively driven by power and connections, not on evidence and fairness, and the effect of this extends thro…

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, I guess the CCCP astroturfers are out in force today.

I think you mean CCP (Chinese Communist Party). CCCP is the Russian abbreviation for the USSR

Re: Trains reach record speed in Beijing-Zhangjiakou test run

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

ummwhat wrote: post #20

I don't envy the guy with the job of getting this right. The last train wreck in China is still being talked about. Not because of the tragedy of the accident, but because of how it became emblematic of corruption and cover-ups and realities that are "unpatriotic" to say out loud. I guarantee any problems with this train line and you are sure to see someone bought up on "corruption charges".

Immediately after the accident in question, the local authorities smashed the trains with backhoes and buried them in pits in the ground. No accident here, no sirree, just carry right along.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision#Wang_Y...

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