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Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

So, I'm with you. But I'm also the person leaving the brand-new items at the thrift store.

The thing is, I'm not the one buying the items usually. They're gifts. And it doesn't matter how many times I tell family not to buy this or that, they do. Christmas is crazy, I hate it for all the wasted money and excess things to deal with. I hate my in laws showing up with well made furniture that I nevertheless hate the design of and don't need. I hate being the caretaker of other people's anxiety manifest in things.

Also, I have little time. So when clothing nmanufacturers do stupid sizing things to save a buck, and it doesn't fit me even after trying to get a tailor to fix it, I'm done spending time on it. It might fit someone else.

I've learned ironically used things on eBay often fit me better because the particular item's exact measurements are provided. I don't have to guess what "medium" means, or whether or not a 27.5 in length actually means 27.5 inches.

I guess my general point is a lot of these excesses are actually about inefficiency and broader societal norms. Even when you have someone who just wants a few nice fitting long lasting items, it can be hard to do that unless you can afford a personal tailor and no gifts to deal with.

It's a complicated topic. Clothes and linens are more cheaply made, even when you look hard, even in my lifetime. I'd argue people often don't even know what something well made in a category looks like often anymore, which distorts demand and therefore supply.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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By comparison, a pound of beef is around 1,800 pounds. Average American eats like 200 pounds of meat per year. How many pairs of jeans do you think a person buys each year? I buy 1 pair of Levis and just wear them about once or twice a week (never washing them) and throw them out after 2 or 3 years. https://foodtank.com/news/2013/12/why-meat-eats-resources/ https://www.globalagriculture.org/whats-new/news/en/32921.ht…

Are you talking about cow farts? When cows eat grass, the carbon they emit was already in the system. It's just like any other organism staying alive. This is different than burning fossil fuels, the carbon of which until they are extracted hasn't been in the system for millions of years. To the extent that the beef industry burns fossil fuels, that's something you could criticize, but it's hardly unique to the beef…

I’m guessing you didn’t look at the links I included?

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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That page even has a pair of bullet lists showing that the plastic imitation is inferior to the real thing! I do make a lot of winter trips like the one in the photograph (long winter backpacking trips) and am an instructor and I only use wool for my socks and other undergarments, and jackets. Down for sleeping in. Synthetic underpants though!

Moths tend not to destroy microfibre polyester fleece. Other than that, a wool felt is quite nice.

I don’t have a moth issue...my cats destroy my clothing before it can be eaten.

But at least wool can be repaired.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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It aint even a problem we cant solve. My buddy here in Goa, India realise most of that water and land pollution in her home state came from chemicals used to dye these fabric pink, purple, blue, etc etc. Guess, what she did, she learnt the traditional art of natural dyeing and now, book she and all her friends wear clothes that have footprint of less than a q-tip. Unlike consumption of meat, fashion is something that can be solved by demanding different. Different chemicals. Different production methods. Different efficiency.

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I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

>Storage units weren't even a thing 75 years ago. Now they're ubiquitous. Not sure how prevalent it is in other countries especially the first world, but self-storage facilities in the US surprise me (I am an Indian). Given the average house size in USA which is second highest after Australia, I wonder what kind of useful stuff gets stored in these stores.

People actually forget that they are even paying for these storage lockers, so often in fact that there is a cottage industry surrounding bidding on forgotten lockers. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_Wars

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Are you talking about cow farts? When cows eat grass, the carbon they emit was already in the system. It's just like any other organism staying alive. This is different than burning fossil fuels, the carbon of which until they are extracted hasn't been in the system for millions of years. To the extent that the beef industry burns fossil fuels, that's something you could criticize, but it's hardly unique to the beef…

I’m guessing you didn’t look at the links I included?

Did you? The one is talking about water, which I don't care about since I'm not raising cattle in a desert. The other says that people are eating more meat, which seems more of an economic measure than anything else. Yet you've posted them on this thread about carbon emissions. I tried to interpret your links in a reasonable way, but if I missed the point you could explain further.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

On a related subject, don't forget about the Habitat for Humanity ReStore in your city. The stock varies all the time and you can get some real bargains on new household goods and construction materials that were donated to Habitat for Humanity but couldn't be used in their builds. I've bought a new Kichenaid trash compactor in the box for $35 and a used but in very good condition Steelcase Leap chair for $15. Those…

For those in the New York City area I highly recommend Build it Green.

Same concept, and you can find some incredible things because they’re often coming from pre-war mansions, high end renovations, props from movie shoots, etc.

https://www.bigreuse.org/

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

So, I'm with you. But I'm also the person leaving the brand-new items at the thrift store. The thing is, I'm not the one buying the items usually. They're gifts. And it doesn't matter how many times I tell family not to buy this or that, they do. Christmas is crazy, I hate it for all the wasted money and excess things to deal with. I hate my in laws showing up with well made furniture that I nevertheless hate the des…

I donate a lot of stuff that I get from relatives who seem to have no clue over what I like to wear.

But I'm not getting the 400 bucks stuff either.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I'm not sure I can agree. I'll give a few examples. "Free clothing" quality has gone up and become more fitted. Instead of 1 gender neutral size, clothes are by gender, and fabric softer. Stitching seems unchanged. I've had to purchase these for groups. High quality clothing has more accents. Quality of fabric is secondary to aesthetics.

So where is a good place to buy good quality T-shirts for men?

I make my own clothes so I haven't been going to retail stores. Try a few places, if they feel good, they are likely good quality.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

So, I'm with you. But I'm also the person leaving the brand-new items at the thrift store. The thing is, I'm not the one buying the items usually. They're gifts. And it doesn't matter how many times I tell family not to buy this or that, they do. Christmas is crazy, I hate it for all the wasted money and excess things to deal with. I hate my in laws showing up with well made furniture that I nevertheless hate the des…

I use all the gifts I receive due to never buying myself anything, but this is definitely an issue I can see. I have spent countless Christmases telling family to donate to charities (and provided a list), buy me food (specific foodstuffs) and in one instance organized Christmas and said they could bring booze and desserts and nothing else.

And they kept on with the (bulky, usually mass-produced) gifts.

I don't hate gifts. But I would love a way to share that ritual with people without encouraging consumption. One problem I've had is the alternatives I suggest, like food, some people don't think cost enough money so they don't like giving it. Are there expensive consumables that people would feel higher status giving?

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