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Assange in Court

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Re: Assange in Court

#91
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in either case, when they are relevant enough, they are not forgotten.

But do you honestly believe he will be relevant enough in 10 years? No doubt some will remember him, but I say way more people will know Snowden than Assange in ten years.

He was well known 10 years ago and he is well known today. By extrapolation, it is natural to assume that he'll be also in 10 years.

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#92
post #3

"Extradition shall not be granted if the offense for which extradition is requested is a political offense." If an American journalist in UK is publishing Chinese military secrets, he will not be extradited to China. If an Australian journalist in UK is publishing American military secrets, will he be extradited to America? This is the question now...

Many would argue that Assange isn't a journalist. And so that also is a factor.

What is the test for being a journalist? Serious question.

Re: Assange in Court

#93
An injustice commited to one is a threat made to all. This is deffinitely a stain and an open bleeding wound on western powers history and supposed values/principles, this wound will only tend to grow. Sadly it's one those events with a dimension so large that it can go unnoticed because of how big it is, it is an Omen. Julian Assange is the first nonviolent, information activist made a political enemy targeted and persecuted in global scale. He's already being imprisioned and tortured for years without a fair trial and with his human rights denied. God bless him!

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#94

There is a double standard. I doubt that the wife of the US diplomat will ever be extradited to the UK after killing a UK citizens. [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-usa-crash-parents...

Well is not the first time a US citizen kills an european one in an accident and gets away with it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teo_Peter

Not even the second: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1...

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#95
post #2

In 50 years, people will look in disgust and utter disbelief at our treatment of Assange. Or maybe this is too optimistic. Maybe our grandsons will indeed understand us. They will understand us too well, and be ashamed of us.

We remember Emmett Till, but only because there’s been a big effort to remember.

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#97
post #61
post #9

"The charge against Julian is very specific; conspiring with Chelsea Manning to publish the Iraq War logs, the Afghanistan war logs and the State Department cables. The charges are nothing to do with Sweden, nothing to do with sex, and nothing to do with the 2016 US election" I'd like to call out the popular and prolific users of hacker news who previously were all about Sweden, sex and election interference and who…

He was in the UK when he was arrested for extradition to Sweden. He was in the UK [1] when he was arrested for extradition to the USA. As I have said before, the very fact that the USA is having essentially zero difficulty with extraditing him from the UK even thought the rape case preceded the USA case and is ongoing and is nearly facing the statute of limitations demonstrates that his claim “going to Sweden will ca…

> demonstrates that his claim “going to Sweden will cause me to be face the death penalty in the USA” is bogus

Doesn't matter; what matters is what Assange thought would happen. He clearly thought that if he left the Embassy he would be promptly sent to the US.

And lo and behold, it is shaping up that he was right. Did he know the exact legal mechanisms that would be employed - apparently not. But his overall read of the situation has been vindicated.

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#98
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Innocent until proven guilty And for that to hold, you have to let him be tried. Justice isn't automatic. But people (maybe not you) seem far too quick to start muddying up the due process. It seems that if he is found guilty, nobody will accept that. From here, it seems perfectly plausible that he actively helped Manning leak. If the US have evidence to that end, they have a case. Can we just let that case be hear…

> It seems that if he is found guilty, nobody will accept that. It depends what they find him guilty of and what the sentence is. It is unacceptable to have someone on trial for openly telling the truth about what a foreign country is doing. He went into the Ecuadorian embassy saying that the Swedish case against him was basically trumped up and that he was going to be extradited to the United States. His justificati…

> The US is reaching out and nabbing him on the flimsiest of pretexts; more a process crime than doing anything material.

Allegedly actively assisting a US military member to a) crack other military passwords, and b) work with them on covering said attempts is a mere "flimsy pretext, [not] material"?

Re: Assange in Court

#100
>Baraitser then capped it all by saying the February hearing will be held, not at the comparatively open and accessible Westminster Magistrates Court where we were, but at Belmarsh Magistrates Court, the grim high security facility used for preliminary legal processing of terrorists, attached to the maximum security prison where Assange is being held. There are only six seats for the public in even the largest court at Belmarsh, and the object is plainly to evade public scrutiny and make sure that Baraitser is not exposed in pulic again again to a genuine account of her proceedings, like this one you are reading. I will probably be unable to get in to the substantive hearing at Belmarsh.

Its perverse

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