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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by loriverkutya »

asperous wrote: post #5

"why mess with Mail’s classic layout? It’s been my preferred layout since Mac OS X 10.0, and that type of layout has basically been the one I have used since I started using email more than twenty years ago" This seems to be the heart of the post. I see the value in stable, unchanging things, but I also have to believe the designers at Apple are trying to make things better, and I think that is honorable.

The heart of the post is that Apperture is crucial to his current workflow and it is not starting in Catalina.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by josteink »

Razengan wrote: post #50

I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still show…

> it’s still randomly losing files

> it is still the better alternative to Windows

I’m not sure what kind of Stockholm-syndrome it takes to put these two sentences in the same post.

This is just crazy.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by mamp »

skohan wrote: post #237
jwr wrote: post #184

I fully agree with the author, and I am also worried about how Apple treats its users. And I am also an abandoned Aperture user, with huge libraries full of organized albums with non-destructive edits. I still do not know what to do about that. Having read most of the comments, I got the impression that you could correlate them with age. Younger people are all "Catalina works for me! Progress! Change is necessary! Wh…

I'm in the same situation with Aperture. It's not only a problem because of the issue you describe with losing the product of my prior work, but it's not clear what the migration target would be. The most obvious alternative is Lightroom, but this would mean trading a tool I have been using happily for free for 7 years for a 20EUR/month subscription service I would have to maintain the rest of my digital life. My cur…

Try Capture One. I’m happy after Aperture-> Lightroom -> Capture 1

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by Razengan »

josteink wrote: post #262
Razengan wrote: post #50

I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still show…

> it’s still randomly losing files > it is still the better alternative to Windows I’m not sure what kind of Stockholm-syndrome it takes to put these two sentences in the same post. This is just crazy.

Perhaps this simple illustration of a scale will help?

    BAD ---X-----Y----Z----- GOOD
Given the standard definitions of "better" and "worse", Y needs to regress substantially to put it behind X.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by josteink »

woutr_be wrote: post #167

I've upgraded to Catalina on my 2015 MacBook Pro the day it released (didn't run the betas), and I haven't experienced any problems. I mostly use it for development, everything still works. My only annoyance so far has been SideCar, it just never works the first time, I have to switch from second display to mirror, then back to second display to make it work.

> I haven’t experienced any problems

> it just never works the first time

Make up your mind. These two statements are not compatible.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by Razengan »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #150
Razengan wrote: post #50

I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still show…

I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid . So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

> So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

Which operating system? This isn't about comparing hardware.

I'm on the latest MBPr and I love it; the problems are coming from Catalina.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by josteink »

Razengan wrote: post #264
josteink wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s still randomly losing files > it is still the better alternative to Windows I’m not sure what kind of Stockholm-syndrome it takes to put these two sentences in the same post. This is just crazy.

Perhaps this simple illustration of a scale will help? BAD ---X-----Y----Z----- GOOD Given the standard definitions of "better" and "worse", Y needs to regress substantially to put it behind X.

An operating system needs to guarantee a minimal level of stability before any other metrics even matter.

Randomly losing files is not at all acceptable and IMO puts it below that minimum. The prettiest font-rendering in the world won’t matter if your documents are gone.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

madaxe_again wrote: post #220
Pokepokalypse wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me 2013 was the real sweet-spot for MBP. I still use mine almost every single day. It's a beast, and has been very reliable. Keyboard is WAY nicer to type on than the current generation. It's a little thicker and heavier, and lacks USB-c ports, but it's still damn fine.

Yup. Still on my pimped-out 2013 MBP. Still has plenty of horses, and the only things that have failed were a fan ((cats & cigarettes) simple replacement), and the power lead wore through. Super reliable machine, still relevant performance-wise. I plan on using it until it disintegrates. Edit: I wonder if apple regret making these machines. They seem like a failure of planned obsolescence - at least, until new releas…

I bought my mum a MacBook Pro, I honestly can't remember what year or which CPU. She told me last week she had someone put a new battery in it and an SSD to replace the spinning disk. She's still well happy with it.

It's a good point about the planned obsolescence: I've dropped this machine so many times it doesn't quite close properly, the aluminium around the top of both USB ports and the HDMI port are deformed, I've had to clean metal particles out of the MagSafe2 connector many times, I work in a metal fabrication workshop so metal particles follow me everywhere.

Six year old machine still in reasonably good condition and works fine.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by Razengan »

josteink wrote: post #267
Razengan wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this simple illustration of a scale will help? BAD ---X-----Y----Z----- GOOD Given the standard definitions of "better" and "worse", Y needs to regress substantially to put it behind X.

An operating system needs to guarantee a minimal level of stability before any other metrics even matter. Randomly losing files is not at all acceptable and IMO puts it below that minimum. The prettiest font-rendering in the world won’t matter if your documents are gone.

A recent major Windows update deleted user documents as well. [0]

Catalina's file loss was confined to iCloud Drive during the beta, and what happened to me was in the Music app after release.

I grew up with Windows, and the recent problems with macOS are still not bad enough to make me want to go back to Microsoft.

macOS is the occasional burn, while Windows is a constant assault on multiple fronts. UI, spyware, performance, security, consistency, aesthetics, accessibility, lack of a multi-platform ecosystem (phone/tablet/TV) and bugs of its own like every other software.

[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Razengan wrote: post #266
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid . So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

> So has my 2013 MBPr at home. Which operating system? This isn't about comparing hardware. I'm on the latest MBPr and I love it; the problems are coming from Catalina.

Sorry, yeah, that's a good point. Now I'm at home I can check: High Sierra.

I usually only update when I either need to because a program I want to run doesn't support the old OS, or the OS stops receiving security updates, or if I get really bored one night.

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