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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still show…

>> it's still randomly losing files. Whoa, no. That is a huge code red for me as a creative. Especially in the music folder. I work at all crazy times of day and night, inspiration hits, and is often impossible to replace. Not alright.

I’m guessing it was a bug in the Music app, or remote deletion because of new versions/format/DRM but the Music app didn’t notify.

Or I did indeed delete them myself but can’t recall. I had no reason to.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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When reading articles like this, I always wonder whether it was that different way back when: Did macOS change less disruptively five years ago?

I switched to using macOS just recently (Mojave being the first I really used), so I might not know.

I notice myself being less and less open to radical new change and being more willing (and able) to just stick to something that works for me. I have tinkered a fair lot in my days, mainly on Linux.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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> my desktop workhorse, a 2017 4K retina iMac > 5400 rpm hard drive as its main internal volume Regardless of OS, the author _really_ needs to bail on the 5400rpm HDD and get a solid state disk in there... especially if you're gonna call it a workhorse!

When it was time to get that 4K retina iMac, I only had money for one built-to-order upgrade. It was a tough decision. It was either leaving the internal 1TB hard drive and choose to have 16GB of RAM instead of the base 8GB, or choosing a 256GB internal SSD and keeping the base 8GB of RAM. Since RAM in that 21.5-inch retina iMac is only upgradable at purchase, not down the road, I opted for the 16GB of RAM and stayin…

Surely you can just swap the internal drive. External thunderbolt disks and enclosures are very expensive for no good reason.

Source: I have been looking for cheap ways to have fast external disks for years. 4 years ago I went with a hacked Buffalo LinkStation (it’s one of the few products that can be easily taken apart, so I swapped its slow disk with an SSD), and now I just ordered a new TB3 enclosure from aliexpress (plus a super-fast disk from a reputable source) to replace it. External TB disks are still overpriced, let alone TB3. I honestly don’t know why that is - I suspect it’s something to do with the main market being Apple users with deep pockets and limited knowledge.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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When reading articles like this, I always wonder whether it was that different way back when: Did macOS change less disruptively five years ago? I switched to using macOS just recently (Mojave being the first I really used), so I might not know. I notice myself being less and less open to radical new change and being more willing (and able) to just stick to something that works for me. I have tinkered a fair lot in m…

This is far and away the most disruptive major update to macOS in recent memory. My experience of the past few major versions have been almost entirely seamless.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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When reading articles like this, I always wonder whether it was that different way back when: Did macOS change less disruptively five years ago? I switched to using macOS just recently (Mojave being the first I really used), so I might not know. I notice myself being less and less open to radical new change and being more willing (and able) to just stick to something that works for me. I have tinkered a fair lot in m…

This is far and away the most disruptive major update to macOS in recent memory. My experience of the past few major versions have been almost entirely seamless.

I see! Maybe because I wasn’t running any 32-bit applications, it was rather seamless for me.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Having a backup still doesn't excuse Catalina for that bug.

Didn’t say it did. But doesn’t matter what OS you’re on, data might get lost at the hardware or software level.

In which case, your point was quite tangential to what was being discussed before, no?

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Sidecar is officially supported only on 2016 and later MacBook Pros. https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT210380#systemrequirements I use a 2015 MBP too, so I'm glad to hear it does work and thanks for the workaround.

Could you double-check if it's really a 2015 and if it's early or something else, what cpu? My early 2015 shows error for Sidecar/not enabled and supposedly requires at least a Skylake CPU. EDIT: my Q was more likely to woutr_be, where it was enabled..

My bad, it was indeed a 2016 model.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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I've upgraded to Catalina on my 2015 MacBook Pro the day it released (didn't run the betas), and I haven't experienced any problems. I mostly use it for development, everything still works. My only annoyance so far has been SideCar, it just never works the first time, I have to switch from second display to mirror, then back to second display to make it work.

Sidecar is officially supported only on 2016 and later MacBook Pros. https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT210380#systemrequirements I use a 2015 MBP too, so I'm glad to hear it does work and thanks for the workaround.

I have to correct myself, I have a 2016 model. So not sure if it works on a 2015.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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My father feels the same, he initially started using apple because he felt his Windows machine was using too much of his time for bs. Now he just upgraded to Catalina and Photos stopped working with this Synology based library, even I, a computer nerd, have already spend an hour at the problem. We are about done. I feel that Windows 10 would be just fine for him (or maybe I can get him sold on Ubuntu). Where pictures…

Photos is one reason I always end up back on windows. My photo library is windows explorer and the file system. It just works. And it’s not hidden in any weird opaque and fragile abstraction. Every time I’ve used macOS (I’ve had three MacBooks and two iMacs) I have to fight them. And I’m not up for that.

Google Picasa for Mac (the desktop app, now discontinued), was great for that. Keep .jpgs in folders, and use picasa to search and browse on top of that. Seeing at it seems to be a 32bit app, I'll be holding on to Mojave for much longer than usual.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Hello! I am the author, and no, I haven't tried Catalina because, as I state at the very end of my article: "Both my main Macs are really working flawlessly at the moment, and Catalina is beta-quality software that’s likely to give me headaches I don’t need right now. Who knows, maybe down the road I could acquire a cheap used Mac that can run Catalina (something like a 2014 Mac mini) and use it as a test machine. As…

Can you give me the TLDR version of MacOS Catalina’s downsides? Apart from mail layout change of course. I tried to read your blog but it was too difficult to find the points you were making too much rant with actual points hidden here and there. Personally for me this has been the smoothest upgrade ever! Literally no apps are broken and no data lost. Edit: typos and clarified that I read the blog.

He is using Aperture and it is not even starting on Catalina and it is part of his work process.
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