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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by rimliu » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:35 AM UTC

morrick wrote: post #148

I'm the author of the article, and I would like to add a few things to hopefully make my point clearer. - While I'm flattered by the attention my piece got by 'making Hacker News', it is simply a personal view and a personal disappointment towards the direction Apple is going with Mac OS. It's not a prescriptive article. I'm not telling people to avoid upgrading to Mac OS 10.15. It's your Mac, it's your work, it's yo…

Despite all this wall of text the one thing voids everything: you haven't even tried the new OS. And thinking that "knowing a thing or two about UI" makes you better than Apple… well, I'll leave it here. "Apple is going downhill since Steve Jobs" and "this is a buggiest (i)OS( X) ever" got old years ago.

Just look up comment after any major upgrade of OS X. It will be a deja-vu. People compare the last x.x.xx release with tons of bugfixes to the y.0.00 and are so shocked there are bugs. Well, duh.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by rimliu » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:35 AM UTC

ryanolsonx wrote: post #34

I thought this post was going to be about stability. It is _not_ stable. That's the biggest problem.

Author did not even try it. He knows nothing about how stable it is.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by goatinaboat » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:35 AM UTC

FPGAhacker wrote: post #178

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid . So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

My win10 pc at work is living hell, but I’m 95% sure this is all the corporate spyware and anti malware shit my employer throws on top. Windows 10 vanilla is probably pretty nice. [edited to clarify the source of the problem]

It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots of course, but it’s also possible your management insist on downloading random crap from the internet, plugging in random USB drives and so, and powerless to just ban that activity, the IT dept are doing the best they can...

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by auslander » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:41 AM UTC

namesbc wrote: post #67

I have too many 32bit games that will never be updated to 64bit. For the first time in 18 years, I am not going to upgrade to the latest mac os. Apple orchestrated a much smoother transition from OS 9 to OS X and RISC to x84 than from 32bit to 64bit.

> I have too many 32bit games that will never be updated to 64bit. For the first time in 18 years, I am not going to upgrade to the latest mac os

Same here. Counter Strike Source. Shame, Valve!

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by fredsted » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:41 AM UTC

oneplane wrote: post #16

Nicci00 wrote: post #4

Selling a computer with spinning rust as main drive in 2017 is extremely shameful.

Why? Time and I/O speed isn't as relevant for everyone as you might think. I sure don't want a system without flash memory, but I know not everybody is me and not everybody will care.

Because it's really slow.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by devxpy » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:43 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #43

devxpy wrote: post #23

Not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but all of this seems like a cheap strategy to make users move to iPadOS.

That makes no sense. 1) Apple makes more margins on Mac hardware. 2) Catalina allows you to basically run iPad apps on the Mac. They wouldn't do this if they were trying to push users to iPad. 3) iPadOS and OSX are fundamentally different. There is no way Apple could ever replace the Mac with an iPad.

I never said they could, but from the ads, feels like they want to.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by Khoth » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:44 AM UTC

m463 wrote: post #149

namesbc wrote: post #67

I have too many 32bit games that will never be updated to 64bit. For the first time in 18 years, I am not going to upgrade to the latest mac os. Apple orchestrated a much smoother transition from OS 9 to OS X and RISC to x84 than from 32bit to 64bit.

the ppc -> intel upgrade was amazing in that it was ho-hum. There was a whole machine architecture change, and most people didn't even notice.

Yeah, they used to be really good at this. The 68k -> ppc transition was also seamless like that, old programs just ran.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by woutr_be » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:46 AM UTC

AhtiK wrote: post #213

kranner wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sidecar is officially supported only on 2016 and later MacBook Pros. https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT210380#systemrequirements I use a 2015 MBP too, so I'm glad to hear it does work and thanks for the workaround.

Could you double-check if it's really a 2015 and if it's early or something else, what cpu? My early 2015 shows error for Sidecar/not enabled and supposedly requires at least a Skylake CPU. EDIT: my Q was more likely to woutr_be, where it was enabled..

I’ll double check tonight.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by m0xte » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 7:48 AM UTC

teekert wrote: post #205

My father feels the same, he initially started using apple because he felt his Windows machine was using too much of his time for bs. Now he just upgraded to Catalina and Photos stopped working with this Synology based library, even I, a computer nerd, have already spend an hour at the problem. We are about done. I feel that Windows 10 would be just fine for him (or maybe I can get him sold on Ubuntu). Where pictures…

Photos is one reason I always end up back on windows. My photo library is windows explorer and the file system. It just works. And it’s not hidden in any weird opaque and fragile abstraction.

Every time I’ve used macOS (I’ve had three MacBooks and two iMacs) I have to fight them. And I’m not up for that.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by deepGem » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 8:02 AM UTC

rimliu wrote: post #196

jwr wrote: post #184

I fully agree with the author, and I am also worried about how Apple treats its users. And I am also an abandoned Aperture user, with huge libraries full of organized albums with non-destructive edits. I still do not know what to do about that. Having read most of the comments, I got the impression that you could correlate them with age. Younger people are all "Catalina works for me! Progress! Change is necessary! Wh…

I doubt you could count me someone from the younger generation. My experience with computers started with DOS. I Have been Mac user since 2006. Catalina works fine for me. I was also Aperture user. And then Lightroom user. And now I am Capture One user.

Ditto. Catalina is working fine for me too. Mac user since 2006, I think the first intel chips. It's definitely not a noticable change. The only such change was the upgrade to Snow Leopard. That was a 'wow' change. This is more like a 'meh' change. I haven't tried the iPad sharing thing yet, not too excited by that either.

What I have noticed is that Apple hardware is highly inconsistent these days. I think it's a function of the Retina displays. The non retina Macbook air with such an underpowered processor sesms to work better than the current Macbook air.

OTOH the Macbook pro is seemingly working great. The 1.4GHz entry model outclasses the older generations by leaps and bounds. I have also started appreciating the touch bar, despite being a heavy vim user. The one touch shortcuts for da y to day stuff like zoom sharing desktops etc are very welcome.