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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by stock_toaster »

woutr_be wrote: post #167

I've upgraded to Catalina on my 2015 MacBook Pro the day it released (didn't run the betas), and I haven't experienced any problems. I mostly use it for development, everything still works. My only annoyance so far has been SideCar, it just never works the first time, I have to switch from second display to mirror, then back to second display to make it work.

I have had a few weird freezes/lock-ups, which I think were related to time machine going out to lunch.

Other than that, it’s been pretty good. Battery life improvement, seems faster, etc.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by deanclatworthy »

lostgame wrote: post #131
Razengan wrote: post #50

I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still show…

>> it's still randomly losing files. Whoa, no. That is a huge code red for me as a creative. Especially in the music folder. I work at all crazy times of day and night, inspiration hits, and is often impossible to replace. Not alright.

That’s why as a creative you should be using a backup solution. With modern internet connections backing up is quick and efficient. File loss should be expected on the FS. Many things can and will go wrong one day.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

johnisgood wrote: post #145
berberous wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative possibility: you just got old. In all seriousness, older people are more opposed to UI and other types of change.

He is evidently NOT opposed to changes, read these quotes from him: > I don't like change when it unnecessarily breaks things that used to work just fine. > I used to like change more when it actually made me work better, when the advantages clearly outweighed the downsides, when progress and improvements were noticeable and thoughtfully implemented. He is opposed to changes that 1) break things that used to work fin…

> He is opposed to changes that 1) break things that used to work fine

The arguments for building emulators into the OS are weak. A minority of users running old operating systems in VMs while the majority get a sleeker, better maintained and thus hopefully more secure OS. That is a fair tradeoff.

Pulling native 32-bit support may be 2019’s laptop-with-no-disk-drive drama.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by FPGAhacker »

birdyrooster wrote: post #169

"Apple Music, TV, Podcasts, Photos, Notes, Reminders, Screen Time, and Apple Watch" Apple has, for the entirety of Mac OS X and macOS, has spent a substantial amount of time enhancing media and mobile quality of life. Catalina is no different. Take a stroll down memory lane: iTunes (was the amalgamation of the first three apps you mentioned), DVD playback, iChat, .Mac syncing, Dashboard (Widgets), Back to My Mac, Mob…

> Oh, and another thing that isn't new: initially buggy releases of macOS

True, but the combined bugginess of iOS 13 and Catalina is astonishing. Shit really went wrong with this cycle. I am sure they will get it under control, but it’s so bad right now that I’ve actually told people considering entering the Apple ecosystem to hold off for a while until this dumpster fire is put out.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by namesbc »

Bud wrote: post #70
namesbc wrote: post #67

I have too many 32bit games that will never be updated to 64bit. For the first time in 18 years, I am not going to upgrade to the latest mac os. Apple orchestrated a much smoother transition from OS 9 to OS X and RISC to x84 than from 32bit to 64bit.

They did? 32-bit apps continued to be supported for a full decade after the hardware architecture went 64-bit. During that entire decade, Apple issued steadily-increasing warnings to users that eventually, the 32-bit support would cease. Seems like a smooth transition to me.

By the time Classic and Rosetta were retired I didn't miss them because everything I cared about had gotten upgraded.

This is not true of my 32 bit apps.

For some reason people were still releasing 32 bit apps as late as this year. Maybe it was because Apple didn't warn users about this until Mojave was released, which was barely a year ago.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by semiotagonal »

birdyrooster wrote: post #169

"Apple Music, TV, Podcasts, Photos, Notes, Reminders, Screen Time, and Apple Watch" Apple has, for the entirety of Mac OS X and macOS, has spent a substantial amount of time enhancing media and mobile quality of life. Catalina is no different. Take a stroll down memory lane: iTunes (was the amalgamation of the first three apps you mentioned), DVD playback, iChat, .Mac syncing, Dashboard (Widgets), Back to My Mac, Mob…

> I am sure we can both imagine people who were disappointed in 2007

Was it to the same extent that people are complaining about MacOS Catalina though? This is the first update that I don't like, and it's because of the lack of 32-bit support. Being forewarned about 32-bit going away doesn't make my 32-bit applications run on Catalina.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by FPGAhacker »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #150
Razengan wrote: post #50

I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still show…

I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid . So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

My win10 pc at work is living hell, but I’m 95% sure this is all the corporate spyware and anti malware shit my employer throws on top.

Windows 10 vanilla is probably pretty nice.

[edited to clarify the source of the problem]

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by Pokepokalypse »

I didn't have any issues with my personal laptop (2013 MBP) (which is superior, by far, in almost every way, to my work laptop, a 2019 MBP).

The only difference I noticed (and I don't really have time to obsess over little details) - was that WINE was broken.

As far as my work-laptop goes, I'm just going to hold off. I don't really need any of the new features; and I don't rely on WINE for anything I do for work. I just don't have any strong feelings for a major OS X update right now.

I think the last time I even used Safari was about 5 years ago for testing a website I was developing.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by kranner »

woutr_be wrote: post #167

I've upgraded to Catalina on my 2015 MacBook Pro the day it released (didn't run the betas), and I haven't experienced any problems. I mostly use it for development, everything still works. My only annoyance so far has been SideCar, it just never works the first time, I have to switch from second display to mirror, then back to second display to make it work.

Sidecar is officially supported only on 2016 and later MacBook Pros.

https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT210380#systemrequirements

I use a 2015 MBP too, so I'm glad to hear it does work and thanks for the workaround.

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