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Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by baroffoos » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:25 AM UTC

std_throwaway wrote: post #28

Money spent = Emissions generated (direct or indirect by further spending) If you want to save CO2, then save as much money as you can in paper form. Don't spend, don't invest. Instead keep everything as cash. This also has indirect effects by slowing down the economy which reduces money flow for other people, too.

You can spend your money on digital goods which have a very tiny environmental impact. This doesn't have the result of preventing other people from spending that money but it is at least sustainable if everyone does it.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by emmelaich » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 AM UTC

thrower123 wrote: post #134

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #112

I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

Around Boston, when the most part of the leases come due every year and people move out, there's so much good free stuff left at the curb that I've heard it dubbed "Allston Christmas."

There's a yearly event in Netherlands where it's legal for anyone to have a flea market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koningsdag

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by ip26 » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #174

paulcole wrote: post #95

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By comparison, a pound of beef is around 1,800 pounds. Average American eats like 200 pounds of meat per year. How many pairs of jeans do you think a person buys each year? I buy 1 pair of Levis and just wear them about once or twice a week (never washing them) and throw them out after 2 or 3 years. https://foodtank.com/news/2013/12/why-meat-eats-resources/ https://www.globalagriculture.org/whats-new/news/en/32921.ht…

Are you talking about cow farts? When cows eat grass, the carbon they emit was already in the system. It's just like any other organism staying alive. This is different than burning fossil fuels, the carbon of which until they are extracted hasn't been in the system for millions of years. To the extent that the beef industry burns fossil fuels, that's something you could criticize, but it's hardly unique to the beef…

The carbon they emit was already in the system- but it is also true that they have converted carbon dioxide to methane.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:30 AM UTC

Nav_Panel wrote: post #97

evolve2k wrote: post #39

Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…

Switch from cotton to (Merino) wool, at least for shirts. It doesn't absorb sweat and then start to smell, so you can wear it many more days before washing (and you can just hand wash in the sink, easy). They also breathe well, work great as a base layer, and feel extremely soft. It'll cost you $80-100 for a t-shirt, but I've found it worth the investment. I've gone from rotating through like 15 Uniqlo tees to only w…

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Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by paulryanrogers » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:32 AM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #166

kovek wrote: post #129

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I know it is the case that you can find In thrift stores such items that in a usual store would sell for a very high price. Got bought one such piece of clothing. However, these items are definitely not evenly distributed all over the world. For example, the second-hand electronics market on craigslist in the Bay Area in California is much better than in, for example, Miami Florida (I'm guessing)

It's also very random whether you'll find what you're looking for. You're just not going to find a $300 retail pair of jeans in a thrift store on your first outing. And even when you do, odds are they won't be in your size. I live in Brooklyn and go thrifting a lot, mostly because it's a fun activity and because you find things you wouldn't normally think to look for. But 9/10 times I'm leaving with nothing. And for…

But there is a cost to future generations for every newly manufactured thing consumed. Buying used can cut that cost by half or more, if well maintained.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by BurningFrog » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:32 AM UTC

baroffoos wrote: post #181

BurningFrog wrote: post #160

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> It's said to be a time of crisis The news will always tell you there is a Major Crisis, and things are Going To Hell. That's what sells, and as long as you understand that, consuming news can be informative. But be careful to not base your worldview on the news.

This is not just news corps. Its well established scientific fact that we are in a state of environmental crisis and unless there is huge change to so many things in society we will be beyond the point of return.

I know a lot of people say that, but have you heard it from real scientists?

Here is a "debunking" I like, from someone who actually read the IPCC report:

https://reason.com/2019/08/01/despite-what-democrats-said-at...

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:33 AM UTC

Swizec wrote: post #50

TeMPOraL wrote: post #42

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I'd happily wear a DS9 or First Contact era Starfleet uniform all day. They look great! :). Regarding your serious point, I'd like to know too. I'd pay for a service that would help me find a style that looks good on me, with associated supply of quality clothes in this style. My current clothing choice pattern is "random, with a pre-filtering done by my wife".

I learned a most important trick watching America’s Next Top Model with my sister: Buy oufits, not clothes. You make the decision on what goes together and looks good at the store. You try stuff until you find what works. When it works, you buy the whole outfit. Possibly in multiples. No more decisions when getting dressed. You have predetermined outfits for whatever activity you’re doing that day. Refresh every few…

A wardrobing approach is the next step up from that.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Post by smartbit » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:33 AM UTC

velp wrote: post #173

evolve2k wrote: post #39

Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…

I've pretty much exclusively switched to Merino t-shirts. Various good brans out there (Woolly Co, Smartwool, Icebreaker, etc) and most can be found in simple, versatile colors. Can wear them with almost anything, super comfortable, and the real kicker is that they can be worn a few times without needing a wash. Makes packing for travel easy, and saves time/effort/water with freq laundry. Also, as someone who runs pr…

Good tip, Thank You. Would like order custom fit T-shirts, but guess that won’t happen for a few decades as robots are far from being able to replace the hands of cheap labor.

BTW How about animal welfare for producing Merino wool?

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Post by TylerE » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:35 AM UTC

ip26 wrote: post #180

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #112

I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

FWIW I've heard storage units are not necessarily a super profitable business, instead they are a low overhead operation to cover the property tax on land in the outskirts that you're sitting on waiting for appreciation as the city grows. So they only have make up the cost of the cinderblocks to be worthwhile.

I don't really believe that as in many places you're starting to see multi-level facilities with as many as 5-6 layers of units. That ain't cinderblocks.

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Post by robotresearcher » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 2:43 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #182

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #112

I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking. Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition. It's a consume…

> The idea of paying rent to store things you'd never use to our grandparents was insanity That’s hoarding by another name. Storage can be used intelligently. There are things one uses seasonally, or from time to time, where owning makes sense. (For example, my winter wear and scuba gear.) Using prime real estate to store those items is expensive. If they live in a cheaper zip code, however, that lets one save rent b…

Also stowing baby stuff between kids. Crib, high chair, etc takes up serious space and modern apartments are very short on storage. Baby stuff is often a gift, lightly used and acquires sentimental value in use, so it’s nice to use it more than once.