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Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

nautil.us

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Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

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I would like to see a mini quad copter take the recoil of a 1 g "shaped charge" (aka bullet). EDIT: ok, i found a clip of (a fairly big) drone firing a gun and it looks... not stable: https://youtu.be/FI--wFfipvA still, pretty worrisome.

They're disposable. They don't need to take anything.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#22

A more reasonable solution to a bunch of drones terrorizing humanity (at least more reasonable than "hey let's make those drones' lives easier by setting up a giant artificially-intelligent surveillance monstrosity ! What could possibly go wrong?") would be to stock up on shotguns, birdshot, butterfly nets, and crowbars.

Hope you've got a bunch of nets and a bunch of ammo cause drones are pretty cheap and there's nothing stopping someone from sending 5 or 10 your way.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#23
post #9

> In this scenario, the K/K ratio could be perhaps 3/1,000,000, assuming a 10-percent accuracy and only a single one-gram shaped charge per drone. So you "only" need 10 million drones and 10 million grams of plastic explosive? An attack of that magnitude probably requires the resources of a nation-state, so I doubt it will happen. Targeted assassinations seem more plausible.

I mean if you barred the doors to a theater and tossed a few gallons of bleach and vinegar in you could also just gas hundreds of people, but it doesn't happen.

We worry a lot about technology because the attacks sound novel, but not about the conventional ones which still (mostly) don't happen because the reality is that the actual logistical challenges of implementing them without security services noticing still hasn't fundamentally changed all that much.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#24
Abstract of a different work by the same author:

>the only plausible escape from this conundrum, at least from our present vantage point, is the creation of a “supersingleton” run by a friendly superintelligence, founded upon a “post-singularity social contract.”

I didnt read the paper, but that abstract sounds firmly rooted in sci-fi with a toe in nonfiction, instead of the other way around as im sure the author believes.

K/K has been very low for at least 50 years and probably longer. The idea that a terrorist would smuggle millions of drones to cause... Car crashes... Is the stuff of a high school writing class. i am 100% positive there are cheaper and more effective tools available to cause more serious damage that currently actually exist (and have for decades), and we dont have the society the author claims.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#26
Every one of these "individual actor catastrophes" has just assloads of barriers to it. Take the "swarm of exploding drones" or "slaughterbots" if you're a douchebag. We do not have the technology for a swarm of a dozen one-inch drones to avoid crashing into each other, let alone carry out the intensely complicated task of tracking down human beings. Also, drones that size have a flight time of about five minutes. Also you would need to manufacture and attach millions of shaped charges, which, unless you're a state actor, is likely to kill the person doing it considering the poor life expectancy of people trying to make only handfuls of IEDs.

Let's take something that's entirely possible using current technology. A small group of motivated individuals could purchase thousands of toasters and turn them into bombs and mail them all to politicians or schools or _____ and set them to all explode at the same time. But that doesn't happen. A group could use agar and antibiotics to breed up a bunch of highly-resistant MRSA and use syringes to infect half the grocery section at dozens of stores on the same day and in doing so kill tens of thousands of people. But that won't happen either.

Just because you can imagine something and not think of a reason it's impossible doesn't mean it's a realistic threat.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

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post #23
post #9

> In this scenario, the K/K ratio could be perhaps 3/1,000,000, assuming a 10-percent accuracy and only a single one-gram shaped charge per drone. So you "only" need 10 million drones and 10 million grams of plastic explosive? An attack of that magnitude probably requires the resources of a nation-state, so I doubt it will happen. Targeted assassinations seem more plausible.

I mean if you barred the doors to a theater and tossed a few gallons of bleach and vinegar in you could also just gas hundreds of people, but it doesn't happen. We worry a lot about technology because the attacks sound novel, but not about the conventional ones which still (mostly) don't happen because the reality is that the actual logistical challenges of implementing them without security services noticing still h…

While I have no intention of ever doing so, imagine a “DC sniper” situation but with lethal drones. A nondescript vehicle driving around releasing a single killer drone that finds the first person in range and detonates a hand grenade sized charge right by their head. Even worse, imagine they deploy it while driving at speed. It climbs fast to get out of sight, loiters, and attacks only when the person deploying it is long gone.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#28
post #9

> In this scenario, the K/K ratio could be perhaps 3/1,000,000, assuming a 10-percent accuracy and only a single one-gram shaped charge per drone. So you "only" need 10 million drones and 10 million grams of plastic explosive? An attack of that magnitude probably requires the resources of a nation-state, so I doubt it will happen. Targeted assassinations seem more plausible.

was going to make a similar comment. In their hypothetical scenario they conveniently skip passed the need to obtain/manufacture 10 metric tones of high explosive. I'd say it's not access to drones/AI that's the most frightening in this scenario, it's the access to massive amounts of high explosives. If 3 crazies can get their hands on that quantity of explosives, they don't need drones/AI. A few selectively placed trucks/cars loaded with explosives are a long standing tool of mass-murderers.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#29
post #2

Literally nothing in this article seems like something that will actually come to pass. It's like a bad Black Mirror fanfic.

Really? I'm just waiting for some dumbass to take a cheap chinese drone, attach a blasting cap with a shape charge laced with sodium cyanide. Anybody nicked with fragments would die. And it'd cost what, $80-$100 ? It's the endgame of asymmetric warfare.

Drone + cluster bomblet, cheep.

That sort of thing scares me more than weapons of mass destruction. Because they are usable by non-nation state actors and rouge nation state actors.

It's not that I'm worried anyone's going to try to take me out (like why?). It's I'm worried what sort of society we end up with when people like Larry Ellison are terrified of the above.

Re: Omniviolence Is Coming and the World Isn’t Ready

#30
The described scenario involves billions of dollars which in most cases represents the output of thousands or 10s of thousands. The attack described is somewhat novel but the fact that the work of thousands can oppose the work of millions isn't.

This makes the nation state more relevant not less. The state can best fund countermeasures and preemptive investigations. They can work with nations who will work to police themselves so they don't have to deal with the backlash involved in locals killing a million people far from home and if needed punish nation states who fail in such policing.

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