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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by taurath »

buboard wrote: post #9
_8j50 wrote: post #5

I can accept some of what is said on this article but from a technical perspective the internet (imho) offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. I believe most of the shortcomings and abuse of the internet is a result of mass adoptation of the technology without correspnding legislature. Societies just haven't caught up with technology,even well seasoned technologists s…

> offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis etc etc in the year 2003. Not much has been added. Video is perhaps the only thing that we didnt have. A big deal but it s not everything. The main change was…

It’s because we’ve given over to aggregators. When we need to actually get something done, they’re useful. If you want to explore though, they’re less useful. You need wiki links and webrings and recommendations that aren’t driven by algorithm.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by buboard »

phkahler wrote: post #10
cloudyo wrote: post #7

"our battle is not lost, but that we can control the use of our data, [...] that the privacy laws that protect us are obeyed." Privacy, privacy. We've actually developed a self-hosted private cloud solution as a substitute to Dropbox for exactly these reasons. Basically a private Dropbox at home (no complicated installation and no server needed) We're currently in beta, could interest a few in this thread! https://ww…

There's more to do than that. We need decentralized replacement for social media And our own email servers for starters. This should all come in one box like a wifi access point or modem.

We have always had email servers. You can set up one today. What we need is to to convince more technical people to use the internet the way it was designed for. And to find ways for these people to make money, because the monopolized internet of today makes that unattainable.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by shantly »

shadowgovt wrote: post #3
api wrote: post #2

I am glad this is being generally realized and people are no longer pretending the status quo is fine. It's the first step toward changing things.

I don't know. Given that the free internet gave us the likes of 4chan, things are changing in the other direction for a reason. It's kind of unclear to me whether the pendulum is ready to swing back towards lack of oversight again.

Anonymous people saying shitty things on 4chan is nothing compared to surveillance capitalism. If anyone regulates 4chan out of existence and declares victory, they’ve missed the point.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by NeoBasilisk »

buboard wrote: post #9
_8j50 wrote: post #5

I can accept some of what is said on this article but from a technical perspective the internet (imho) offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. I believe most of the shortcomings and abuse of the internet is a result of mass adoptation of the technology without correspnding legislature. Societies just haven't caught up with technology,even well seasoned technologists s…

> offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis etc etc in the year 2003. Not much has been added. Video is perhaps the only thing that we didnt have. A big deal but it s not everything. The main change was…

Yeah, the consolidation has been relentless.

I also share the sentiment that a lot of the "innovation" online these days is merely skin-deep, but I can't say whether it's just my perspective after being online for 20 years.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by cloudyo »

phkahler wrote: post #10
cloudyo wrote: post #7

"our battle is not lost, but that we can control the use of our data, [...] that the privacy laws that protect us are obeyed." Privacy, privacy. We've actually developed a self-hosted private cloud solution as a substitute to Dropbox for exactly these reasons. Basically a private Dropbox at home (no complicated installation and no server needed) We're currently in beta, could interest a few in this thread! https://ww…

There's more to do than that. We need decentralized replacement for social media And our own email servers for starters. This should all come in one box like a wifi access point or modem.

Agreed. We also need to make out of the box private tools that anyone can use. Step by step!

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by api »

shadowgovt wrote: post #3
api wrote: post #2

I am glad this is being generally realized and people are no longer pretending the status quo is fine. It's the first step toward changing things.

I don't know. Given that the free internet gave us the likes of 4chan, things are changing in the other direction for a reason. It's kind of unclear to me whether the pendulum is ready to swing back towards lack of oversight again.

Chan culture is one of three things that I personally list as having killed the creative Internet, with the other two being gamified / addictive social media and spam.

Chan culture is itself a form of addictive gamified social media too, albeit of a much more niche variety. It popularized memes and snark as a cheap zero effort way to get attention and as a "thought stopper."

I started hating chan culture way back in the 'oughts before any of this Nazi alt-right edgelord BS, but none of it surprises me. I saw the way cheap shitty memes and repetitive jokes were overtaking substance everywhere and that the chans were the origin of the cancer.

I still struggle to describe the essence of the chans but I know it when I see it. There is this odd cognitive style and of course jargon and buzzwords. It's almost like a very weird cult... like how people who have had contact with them say you can smell a scientologist.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by thrower123 »

The normal people came to the internet, and crowded out the nerds. You can still find all the weird, wacky stuff that used to be out there; I daresay there is far more of it, by volume, than there ever was. It just requires more effort to sift out the dross.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by asteli »

shadowgovt wrote: post #3
api wrote: post #2

I am glad this is being generally realized and people are no longer pretending the status quo is fine. It's the first step toward changing things.

I don't know. Given that the free internet gave us the likes of 4chan, things are changing in the other direction for a reason. It's kind of unclear to me whether the pendulum is ready to swing back towards lack of oversight again.

I think there's an argument that the consolidated internet caused 4chan to morph from a benign imageboard to the relative monster it is today. 4chan didn't start as a cancer, it became that way when all the 'normies' left for reddit|facebook|twitter.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by api »

asteli wrote: post #19
shadowgovt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. Given that the free internet gave us the likes of 4chan, things are changing in the other direction for a reason. It's kind of unclear to me whether the pendulum is ready to swing back towards lack of oversight again.

I think there's an argument that the consolidated internet caused 4chan to morph from a benign imageboard to the relative monster it is today. 4chan didn't start as a cancer, it became that way when all the 'normies' left for reddit|facebook|twitter.

I see the chans today as inseparable from the social silos. There's a two way dynamic in play. The chans are to social media what the gaming discords are to the games they shadow. It's where people go to cook up strategies to play the social attention game, and it's also an echo chamber where new memes and such are cooked up.

The whole thing needs to be nuked from orbit.

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