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Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Men already had that in the past, the suit. Up until the first war clothing was expensive to make so generally men had only one or two suits and they would wear them every day, and repair them as they wore down. Shirts were, to an extent, a step above underwear. Men would spice up the same suit every day with different ties, pocket handkerchiefs, and other small accessories, all of which were generally more affordabl…

I don't like suits. They're not very practical and can be quite unconfortable. The best piece of clothing I had was a modern Bundeswehr moleskin field shirt.

Well very modern suits have undergone an evolution that makes them less practical, but only a few decades were engineered for practicality (except the tie ... forget it!): collars that were adjustable for wind and other weather conditions, practical engineering of the joints so they didn’t restrict mobility, etc. there’s a reason why men’s’ suits in the 30s and 40s look a little ill-fitting: they emphasized function over fashion. Only the aristos (e.g. Duke of Windsor who shaved twice a day) could afford to wear something that fit like a glove...for only a couple of hours before changing.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I can't wait for the day when I can walk to my local dump and move into a mcmansion somebody threw out because the paint was the wrong color... And I am only half joking.

Go into your local thrift store and try not to gasp as you walk past $300 pair of designer jeans after $400 dress, some of them still with tags on them as they've never been worn, and most all of them in seemingly brand-new condition.

It's a consumer's dream world out there, baby.

And we can't seem to get enough.

Storage units weren't even a thing 75 years ago. Now they're ubiquitous.

The idea of paying rent to store things you'd never use to our grandparents was insanity. (It still is imho).

I'm going thrifting right now, actually.

To everybody else in the world, if you could take a break from buying more brand new clothing, to consider why you might not need to buy more brand new clothing, we would all be a lot better off imho.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…

I'd happily wear a DS9 or First Contact era Starfleet uniform all day. They look great! :). Regarding your serious point, I'd like to know too. I'd pay for a service that would help me find a style that looks good on me, with associated supply of quality clothes in this style. My current clothing choice pattern is "random, with a pre-filtering done by my wife".

> I'd happily wear a DS9 or First Contact era Starfleet uniform all day. They look great! :).

So what’s stopping you? Copyright law?

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Do those uniforms have pockets?

Unfortunately not; Star Trek uniforms generally don't have pockets (with an exception of Beverly Crusher's lab coat (TNG) and the jacket B'Elanna Torres wore at some point (VOY)). Enterprise-era uniforms are full of pockets, and they look kind of nice too! However, I don't think a DS9/First Contact era uniform with pockets in trousers would look too much unlike the original, and it's enough to store a smartphone (and…

> the jacket B'Elanna Torres wore at some point (VOY)

That was added to hide Roxanne Dawson's pregnancy, which I guess sort-of addresses the point about the standard jumpsuit uniforms not being the most flattering.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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I'd happily wear a DS9 or First Contact era Starfleet uniform all day. They look great! :). Regarding your serious point, I'd like to know too. I'd pay for a service that would help me find a style that looks good on me, with associated supply of quality clothes in this style. My current clothing choice pattern is "random, with a pre-filtering done by my wife".

> I'd happily wear a DS9 or First Contact era Starfleet uniform all day. They look great! :). So what’s stopping you? Copyright law?

Honestly? Too much effort finding a tailor friendly enough to make it (and perhaps not charge exorbitant amounts of money). And my wife most likely wouldn't approve me walking in it daily around our small town.

(And, I don't feel I meet Starfleet standards of excellence, so I don't deserve to wear one.)

Some 12 years ago I got together with a group of folks, intending to shoot a fan Star Trek series. We got as far as the dialogs, some CGI work, green-screened bridge set, few props and... few uniforms. One of the folks had a friendly tailor who was willing to make them, but as a ~18 years old, I didn't have the money, and eventually drifted away from the project. I still regret that. After I left, I think they've managed to release a long trailer, and then the project died.

These days, I scratch my Trekkie itch by figuring out how to make LCARS interfaces actually ergonomic for real-world uses.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…

Google Image Search "Classic men's fashion" (I'm assuming you're a guy), get some ideas there. Then find a good tailor and bring the pics to him. As a lanky westerner living in Asia, it's pretty much impossible for me to buy "off the rack" clothing in any style I would want anyway. So I've settled into infrequent purchases via western companies with granular sizes/fitment, or even-less-frequent trips to a tailor.

These days, a man can get made-to-measure shirts for ~$50/each. Ten of those in different colors will last you 5+ years and not go out of style. Four made-to-measure suits at $300-$400 each should be good for 10 years. I think Brooks Brothers and JoS.A.Bank have decent shirts and slacks, if you really wanna stick to store-bought stuff.

For casual/outdoors wear, add some Patagonia, North Face, or basically any law enforcement supplier (5.11 Tactical, Propper, LA Police Gear). Rugged clothes that will also last a decade. A fleece pullover, a moisture-wicking Polo shirt, and a pair of khaki tactical pants is the 21st-century "Plaid shirt and bluejeans" IMO...

https://www.propper.com/

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Yes and no :) "On-demand" clothing manufacturing is practiced today, in that fashions change rapidly, and in response, retailers produce what can only be described as "shitty quality, fast". (Exacerbated by Chinese clothing manufacturers + social media - they're extremely effective at churning out extremely glossy pictures for what's about the lowest possible bar of quality) That - "fast fashion" - is what gets disca…

Now, if only bespoke shorts and tshirts became a thing. I’d happily pay a decent sum for a set of charcoal tshirts that fit me perfectly and last for a few years of daily use. Bonus points of I get to choose a fabric other than pure cotton.

They are a thing. Find a local tailor. (They often hide out at dry cleaners, but not all of them are good :) OK, that will be more made-to-measure than bespoke - the difference there being that bespoke comes with a master tailor who does a really exhaustive initial consult on what patterns work for you, what fabrics work best, what specific cuts to choose, etc, while m-t-m is more "we measure you, you get a standard tshirt". It'll still be lightyears better than anything you get in a shop.

I'd expect you'll be in the range of $100 per tshirt, +/-

And yes, of course you get to choose a fabric, that's the point of bespoke :) It's also the major cost factor. Depending on your taste, there are some expensive fabrics to have.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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Generally, it's a good article, but it lands on a sore point for me with many environmentalist articles - treating "water use" as if water disappears when used. Generally, water doesn't cease to exist - it just gets temporarily stored.

The type of water use we're talking here - saturating it with detergents, dyes, etc. -- makes it unpotable, at which point it is, best-case, going through a very expensive treatment process before it can be returned to the water cycle, which you can be certain the manufacturers are not footing the full cost of; or more likely in the places where garment manufacturers set up, is just being dumped into the environment,…

Very expensive? You just let it sit and evaporate.

Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined

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The source appears to be this report by Quantis:

https://quantis-intl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/measurin...

Specifically page 18: «Together the apparel and footwear industries generated between 5 and 10% of global pollution impacts in 2016. Footwear alone represents approximately one-fifth the impact of the apparel industry, about 1.4% of global climate impacts (700 million metric tons CO2eq), while apparel represents 6.7% of global climate impacts (3,290 million metric tons CO2eq). Combined, they account for an estimated 8.1% of global climate impacts (3,990 million metric tons CO2eq).»

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